65Michael Posted May 9, 2015 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 29 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/07/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 9, 2015 I think that Jesus did and does speak for God. That thay are one and the same. So I would answer my own question with a yes. I would like to know how other Christians feel about this and why? Some Biblical text to prove your point would be helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut- Posted May 9, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 39 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,673 Content Per Day: 1.31 Reputation: 7,358 Days Won: 67 Joined: 04/22/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted May 9, 2015 John 10:30 I and the Father are one.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OakWood Posted May 9, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 867 Topics Per Day: 0.24 Content Count: 7,331 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 2,860 Days Won: 31 Joined: 04/09/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/28/1964 Share Posted May 9, 2015 What you are really asking is - "Is Jesus God?" I can only let scripture speak for itself. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 1:14 But to be more specific and directly answer your question "Can Jesus said be replaced with God said?", if you believe that Jesus is God then logically you should be able to answer this question yourself. The name of Jesus carries the authority of God, thus whatever Jesus said:- he is speaking for God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Butero Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Jesus is God, so in that sense, the answer is yes, but when it comes to changing God's Word, I don't believe in doing it, so if the text uses the name Jesus, that is what I am using. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Teditis Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 John 12:49 - For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment —what to say and what to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted May 9, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.34 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted May 9, 2015 Since Jesus was the visible and verbal manifestation of God the Father, whatever He said is exactly what the Father would have said. "Manifestation" in this context means that He is God the Word, revealing the Godhead to mankind physically and verbally. *Technically* it is the God the Holy Spirit who gave us the written Word of God, so we can see that the triune Godhead is fully involved with the words of Christ as well as the words of Scripture. Once again we are dealing with "the Mystery of God" so human reasoning must give way to faith. Those who had seen and heard Christ had, in a sense, seen and heard the Father (who is and will always remain invisible). The tragedy is that the majority of those who were privileged to see Him in the flesh rejected Him and despised Him. But blessed are those who have not seen and yet believed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Can (What) The LORD Jesus Said In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:1-3 Be Replaced With (What) And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: Ephesians 3:9 God Said? By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, and by the breath of his mouth all their host. Psalm 33:6(ESV) ~ I think that Jesus did and does speak for God.... That they are one and the same.... So I would answer my own question with a yes.... I would like to know how other Christians feel about this and why.... Some Biblical text to prove your point would be helpful.... ~ Yes And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. John 17:5-7 Yes For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. John 17:8 Indeed~! Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. John 17:20-23 ~ And For Those For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. John 3:34 Who Question What Others May And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. John 20:28 Biblically Call Jesus Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. John 20:29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted May 9, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 186 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,250 Content Per Day: 3.32 Reputation: 16,662 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted May 9, 2015 Yes Jesus and Father are God. They and Holy Spirit are one God. It is hard to understand, but it is like water, ice, and water vapor (evaporating) are all one thing but they are in different forms. So is Father, Son and Holy Spirit all one God but they have different persons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted May 10, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,993 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,691 Content Per Day: 11.77 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 10, 2015 I think that Jesus did and does speak for God. That thay are one and the same. So I would answer my own question with a yes. I would like to know how other Christians feel about this and why? Some Biblical text to prove your point would be helpful. It is the Holy Trinity three persons but one God. or Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tristen Posted September 6, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 9 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,380 Content Per Day: 0.63 Reputation: 1,361 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/26/2014 Status: Online Share Posted September 6, 2015 I agree in principle, but it would make for awkward language in certain contexts - like when Jesus is teaching about, or talking to the Father. I think I'm happy to leave scripture as is;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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