Guest LadyC Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Peep, weapons of all kinds are going to get into the hands of bad people.... gun laws don't stop them from getting guns, only law abiding citizens who are trying to protect themselves from the bad people who are going to get them no matter what the rest of us do. Well then what is the solution?People are shooting at each other and it is out of hand. if law abiding citizens have guns to protect themselves and others from those who are NOT law abiding citizens, then the number of murders would decrease. eliminate the threat, not the protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted May 21, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,134 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,859 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted May 21, 2015 (edited) Peep, weapons of all kinds are going to get into the hands of bad people.... gun laws don't stop them from getting guns, only law abiding citizens who are trying to protect themselves from the bad people who are going to get them no matter what the rest of us do. Well then what is the solution?People are shooting at each other and it is out of hand. Murder rates with weapons actually historically go down when a location lets it's public carry. Most criminals are cowards and they use guns and knives to scare people..... when the people have weapons also they tend to not confront. Especially women and old people. Just because one carries weapons or has them at home doesn't mean that they are looking to kill someone..... Killing someone would be the very last thing I would do to save my family, however i would shoot them enough to stop them from doing what they were doing to us.... one can always call 911 after you have put them on the ground...... besides if God doesn't want them dead, they will not die. I would say though that I know of cases where guns were available but not used.... remind me sometime to tell you of a young armed person breaking into my aunt's house and waiting for her to come home.... edited to add: I've got a 12 gage shotgun I bought when I was about 12 or 13 years old..... it hasn't killed anyone yet. Edited May 21, 2015 by other one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 People are not shooting at each other any more than they were before. The mainstream media which is generally anti-second amendment, is reporting on it more these days to drum up support for either more gun laws or the elimination of personally owned fire arms. The problem is that laws only work on law abiding people. You can make all of the gun laws you want. The criminals don't keep any laws. When businesses put up signs declaring their place a gun free zone, they are telling the criminals that there is no one there with the ability to defend themselves and they can go in with a gun and rob the place or commit mass murder in say a shopping mall that claims it is a "gun free zone." The same goes for getting rid of guns. You only empower the criminals and you leave regular people at their mercy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted May 21, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 21, 2015 To me debating having guns or not is a no win issue.There is fierce debate on both sides. How should a Christian view gun control? http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-gun-control-Bible.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 It is not a no-win issue. There is nothing wrong with owning guns. It doesn't violate Scripture and it is protected by the Constitution of the United States. Owning guns is a personal choice and the ones who want to do away with that have lost the issue. They may debate it fiercely, but that doesn't mean they have a valid or correct point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bible2 Posted May 23, 2015 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 642 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 405 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/08/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted May 23, 2015 OldSchool2 said in post 1: Faith and Firearms: Should Christians Own Guns? Under the Old Covenant, murder was forbidden (Deuteronomy 5:17), but killing in a war commanded by God was required (1 Samuel 15:3). But under the New Covenant, which Christians are under (Matthew 26:28, Jeremiah 31:31), Christians are commanded to never harm anyone, even in self-defense (Matthew 5:39, Matthew 26:52). They are to be as harmless as doves (Matthew 10:16c). For Christians are commanded to love even their enemies (Matthew 5:44), and this means they must do them no harm (Romans 13:10a, Matthew 7:12). It is the meek who will inherit the earth (Matthew 5:5, Psalms 37:11). Christians don't employ physical weapons or any other violence against people (2 Corinthians 10:3-5, Ephesians 6:12-18). Instead, Jesus at his first coming set the example for what believers are to do when they are physically attacked by people (1 Peter 2:19-23). They are to go meekly like sheep to the slaughter (Romans 8:36), just like Jesus did (Isaiah 53:7). Obedient believers don't fear death (Hebrews 2:15), and don't love their lives unto death (Revelation 12:11b), but hate their lives in this world, so that they might retain eternal life (John 12:25, Mark 8:34-38). For obedient believers know that death is no loss for them, but gain (Philippians 1:21), as it brings their still-conscious souls into heaven to be with Jesus (2 Corinthians 5:8), which is far better than remaining in this world (Philippians 1:23). During the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, believers (not in hiding) will have to face martyrdom with patience and faith to the end (Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4, Matthew 24:9-13), just as believers have always had to spiritually overcome in the face of martyrdom (e.g. Revelation 2:10-11). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Bible2 that is a mishandling of Scripture. There is NOTHING in the New Testament that prohibits self-defense and the defense of one's family. You are promoting pacifism which is a secular teaching, not a biblical teaching. It was Christians, willing to take up arms, that provided us with a nation we could live in that gives us freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, etc. Those freedoms were won by many who were Christians, and they are preserved today, by many who are Christians willing to defend them. The pacifism you promote only empowers evil people to rein and destroy good people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchool2 Posted May 23, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.35 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Author Share Posted May 23, 2015 Bible2 that is a mishandling of Scripture. There is NOTHING in the New Testament that prohibits self-defense and the defense of one's family. You are promoting pacifism which is a secular teaching, not a biblical teaching. It was Christians, willing to take up arms, that provided us with a nation we could live in that gives us freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, etc. Those freedoms were won by many who were Christians, and they are preserved today....... and remembered over this Memorial Day weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchool2 Posted May 23, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.35 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Author Share Posted May 23, 2015 OldSchool2 said in post 1: Faith and Firearms: Should Christians Own Guns? Under the Old Covenant, murder was forbidden (Deuteronomy 5:17), but killing in a war commanded by God was required (1 Samuel 15:3). But under the New Covenant, which Christians are under (Matthew 26:28, Jeremiah 31:31), Christians are commanded to never harm anyone, even in self-defense (Matthew 5:39, Matthew 26:52). They are to be as harmless as doves (Matthew 10:16c....Innocent as doves, but as wise as serpents.And your pacifism can just as easily be embraced by non-Christians, e.g., Jehovah's Witnesses, but at least we're back on topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew T. Posted May 23, 2015 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 481 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 537 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/20/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/08/1959 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Ahhh... The age old debate. As always, you have good vs. the many wiles of the enEmy. You will not find one firearm in prison. There's a reason for that. You know? The wisdom of our Founding Fathers gave United States citizens the right to FOREVER "keep and BEAR arms" for a multitude of reasons. First and foremost, to guard against any eVil that may come to control our government. Free-DOM, has never been FREE. There's ALWAYS been a price... something people today have been dumbed down enough to forget. And in my opinion, if there isn't a payment made soon, we'll lose what little we have left. Guns are tools, just like cars, knives, screwdrivers, hay rakes, axes, chainsaws, power nail guns, etc.. And a PERSON can KILL with any tool. So is the answer to rid ourselves of every thing that can be used to murder someone? Preposterous. That's propaganda from the enEmy aimed at disarming citizens to better accommodate long term, secret agendas. Biblically? There is as much difference between "killing" and "murder" as day is from night. Murder is what was identified in the Law of God as unlawful... NOT killing. It takes fortitude to be "responsible". It's NOT the easy road. If we are content in always letting others pay the prices for our own way of life, then ok. Just don't stand in my way too, in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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