Florida high school principal removed after defending Texas officer

[other one]

 

 

Fascinating, you think the current president wants to put the US under sharia law, yet trust him enough not to abuse this new power.

This is the downfall of being so partisan, you can't see the forest for the trees.

There was congressional oversight of wire tapping, and yet that went far beyond the reported scope and size. You have far more faith in elected party officials than I.

He can not abuse this power for more than 90 days unless congress lets him.....     Do you understand that the office of the president has the power to declare a national emergency and set up the head of Homeland Security as the total dictator of this country for six months;  and has had since the days of Ronald Regan......   and it has nothing to do with this act.

  if you want to worry about something worry about that.

 

Concerning wire tapping,   how did that harm you.....   didn't harm me...     These things you are speaking of are not a problem unless the government is going to take total power in the hands of just a very few people......     and if the military goes along with that, you and I are simply screwed for you can't fight the military we have today....

 

These tools are being set up for protection largely because we are such an open society.

 

I agree with you that Obama is a danger to us all, but this act is not what he is using to harm us and the more time you spend on things of this nature the less you can convince people of what is ultimately going to bring us down.

It harms you because it takes away an essential liberty, the right to privacy and the right to due process. I asked before, would you be ok with the government opening every piece of mail and examining the contents? What they are doing with phone calls and emails is no different.

 

but there is military due process, you don't simply go away....   and they have to update congress  on your status.

 

Would I be OK with the government opening every piece of mail I get......   considering what I know about the Muslim Brotherhood and a couple of militia groups, I have much less trouble with that than you do......    do I like it, no I don't.......   do I understand why they want to do it......   yes I do........       am I worried about them finding something about me that I don't want them to know.....   no I am not worried for I am open to them about who I am and what I think......    I'm a born again patriotic Christian who has sworn an oath to defend the constitution......    but will I go against what Congress the President (good and bad) have set up legally according to the Supreme Court...    no I will not do that.

[Uncertain]

Fascinating, you think the current president wants to put the US under sharia law, yet trust him enough not to abuse this new power.

This is the downfall of being so partisan, you can't see the forest for the trees.

There was congressional oversight of wire tapping, and yet that went far beyond the reported scope and size. You have far more faith in elected party officials than I.

He can not abuse this power for more than 90 days unless congress lets him.....     Do you understand that the office of the president has the power to declare a national emergency and set up the head of Homeland Security as the total dictator of this country for six months;  and has had since the days of Ronald Regan......   and it has nothing to do with this act.

  if you want to worry about something worry about that.

 

Concerning wire tapping,   how did that harm you.....   didn't harm me...     These things you are speaking of are not a problem unless the government is going to take total power in the hands of just a very few people......     and if the military goes along with that, you and I are simply screwed for you can't fight the military we have today....

 

These tools are being set up for protection largely because we are such an open society.

 

I agree with you that Obama is a danger to us all, but this act is not what he is using to harm us and the more time you spend on things of this nature the less you can convince people of what is ultimately going to bring us down.

It harms you because it takes away an essential liberty, the right to privacy and the right to due process. I asked before, would you be ok with the government opening every piece of mail and examining the contents? What they are doing with phone calls and emails is no different.

but there is military due process, you don't simply go away....   and they have to update congress  on your status.

 

Would I be OK with the government opening every piece of mail I get......   considering what I know about the Muslim Brotherhood and a couple of militia groups, I have much less trouble with that than you do......    do I like it, no I don't.......   do I understand why they want to do it......   yes I do........       am I worried about them finding something about me that I don't want them to know.....   no I am not worried for I am open to them about who I am and what I think......    I'm a born again patriotic Christian who has sworn an oath to defend the constitution......    but will I go against what Congress the President (good and bad) have set up legally according to the Supreme Court...    no I will not do that.

So, in the end you have gladly given up freedoms, which is what I said to start with, and you took issue with it. It is not about having something to hide, it is about what we will give up next in the name of safety.

To quote Padme' "so, this is how liberty dies.....to thunderous applause".

That is where I see us heading, the internal threats are much greater than the external.

[other one]

 

 

 

 

Fascinating, you think the current president wants to put the US under sharia law, yet trust him enough not to abuse this new power.

This is the downfall of being so partisan, you can't see the forest for the trees.

There was congressional oversight of wire tapping, and yet that went far beyond the reported scope and size. You have far more faith in elected party officials than I.

He can not abuse this power for more than 90 days unless congress lets him.....     Do you understand that the office of the president has the power to declare a national emergency and set up the head of Homeland Security as the total dictator of this country for six months;  and has had since the days of Ronald Regan......   and it has nothing to do with this act.

  if you want to worry about something worry about that.

 

Concerning wire tapping,   how did that harm you.....   didn't harm me...     These things you are speaking of are not a problem unless the government is going to take total power in the hands of just a very few people......     and if the military goes along with that, you and I are simply screwed for you can't fight the military we have today....

 

These tools are being set up for protection largely because we are such an open society.

 

I agree with you that Obama is a danger to us all, but this act is not what he is using to harm us and the more time you spend on things of this nature the less you can convince people of what is ultimately going to bring us down.

It harms you because it takes away an essential liberty, the right to privacy and the right to due process. I asked before, would you be ok with the government opening every piece of mail and examining the contents? What they are doing with phone calls and emails is no different.

but there is military due process, you don't simply go away....   and they have to update congress  on your status.

 

Would I be OK with the government opening every piece of mail I get......   considering what I know about the Muslim Brotherhood and a couple of militia groups, I have much less trouble with that than you do......    do I like it, no I don't.......   do I understand why they want to do it......   yes I do........       am I worried about them finding something about me that I don't want them to know.....   no I am not worried for I am open to them about who I am and what I think......    I'm a born again patriotic Christian who has sworn an oath to defend the constitution......    but will I go against what Congress the President (good and bad) have set up legally according to the Supreme Court...    no I will not do that.

So, in the end you have gladly given up freedoms, which is what I said to start with, and you took issue with it. It is not about having something to hide, it is about what we will give up next in the name of safety.

To quote Padme' "so, this is how liberty dies.....to thunderous applause".

That is where I see us heading, the internal threats are much greater than the external.

 

Did I just say that i didn't like it but understood it....    so no you are wrong I didn't gladly give up anything......    and those freedoms you speak of did not affect my life at all....    so why are you making such a fuss over the need to figure out who's trying to kill us all.     And I am telling you that they do intend to kill us all that does not submit to Allah through Sharia Law.

[Uncertain]

Let me see if I have this right...since you personally are not bothered by the lost freedoms, it is ok the are lost?

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist; 

Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a socialist; 

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist; 

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew; 

Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak out for me. 

[MorningGlory]

 

 

 

This is a fairly decent article of the myths that have bee  written up about these sections of the NDAA.....

 http://pandaunite.org/top-myths-about-the-ndaa/

 

Please understand that I'm not happy with the way that the NDAA is worded, but i also want home grown terrorists to be taken care of (citizens or not)....

 

A result of the time I have spent since the first Twin Towers bombing in 1993 studying the Koran and the Teachings of Mohammad in Bukhari's hadith I have understood the need for the NDAA....        Could it be abused.....   of course it could......    but it isn't likely to be abused nearly as much as it may be needed in the near future when one realizes just how far Islam has come to destroying our way of life.         We are not safe like snug as a bug in a rug in this world today....   we face serious dangers that we have not faced in years past from a different kind of enemy.

Will you be so up on home grown terrorism being squashed when churches start getting the terrorists label based upon issues like same set marriage?

get real, this act has nothing to do with things of that nature......   go back to the definition of who this pertains to.     A pastor who refuses to marry gays is not an enemy combatant engaged in hostilities against the government. And for them to change that definition of the people that pertains to takes approval of congress.      You are taking things way beyond context.

Why do you trust congress any more than a president?

And read what you posted above, they don't have to be an enemy combatant, just deemed to be providing aid or support. That is a very vague threshold.

 

 

You seem to be very edgy and convinced the government is the enemy.  While I don't trust any government, I'd say that we have enemies abroad that bear watching.  I don't think it's good to concentrate on the Patriot Act and the President so myopically.  Might miss what's going on in the world. 

[Uncertain]

Didn't you just accuse me of being too trusting? I wish you would make up your mind.

Fear is the most effective form of control there is, which is why it is so widely used. You have been sold a bill of goods that in order to be safe from the mongrel horde we have to surrender our rights and freedoms. How much freedom and how many rights is your " safety" worth? When will enough be enough?

[MorningGlory]

Didn't you just accuse me of being too trusting? I wish you would make up your mind.

Fear is the most effective form of control there is, which is why it is so widely used. You have been sold a bill of goods that in order to be safe from the mongrel horde we have to surrender our rights and freedoms. How much freedom and how many rights is your " safety" worth? When will enough be enough?

 

To whom is this addressed, uncertain? 

[Uncertain]

Didn't you just accuse me of being too trusting? I wish you would make up your mind.

Fear is the most effective form of control there is, which is why it is so widely used. You have been sold a bill of goods that in order to be safe from the mongrel horde we have to surrender our rights and freedoms. How much freedom and how many rights is your " safety" worth? When will enough be enough?

 

To whom is this addressed, uncertain? 

You

[other one]

Let me see if I have this right...since you personally are not bothered by the lost freedoms, it is ok the are lost?

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist; 

Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a socialist; 

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist; 

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew; 

Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak out for me. 

so now you are saying that the government is going to kill us all with the NDAA....      get a grip guy.

[Uncertain]

Let me see if I have this right...since you personally are not bothered by the lost freedoms, it is ok the are lost?

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist; 

Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a socialist; 

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist; 

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew; 

Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak out for me.

so now you are saying that the government is going to kill us all with the NDAA....      get a grip guy.

I am saying it is another step in the process. They can't take all our rights and freedoms at once, so it is done slowly like the frog in the pot of water. As we grow accustomed to doing with out this freedom or that right, another one will then be added on. And most people are like you, as long as it is not bothering them personally, well who really cares if some guy that works in finance has his phones tapped and computer bugged.