WN: Vatican signs first treaty with 'State of Palestine'

[Guest shiloh357]

Thallasa, is it possible for you to make a post without having to make everything about how much you hate the US???  It is getting really tiresome with you jumping on every thread and having to make some jab at America. 

 

Honestly, if we were talking about peanut butter and jelly sandwiches you would find  way to bash America.   Take your America bashing somewhere else.  It is not welcome here.

 

If you can't actually post on the topic without complaining about  America, then just don't bother posting.

[Guest Thallasa]

 What about the fact that most very rich bankers are American and Jewish ,How does that fit into this 'victim' story ?

[Guest shiloh357]

Again, Thallasa and I am only going to say this once more.   Stop with the America bashing and the anti-Semitic Jew bashing or else I am reporting you to the moderators!!!   This thread is not for you to tear down America or spew lies about the Jews and if you keep it up you WILL be reported.   Do you understand???

[Guest Thallasa]

 This last week one of the highlights of the news was about  the personal  phone tapping of the heads of European states ,among other things . 

 But you need not worry about my comments any longer  ,I have learned all I need to know about where you are coming from .

 

 Goodbye .

[thereselittleflower]

The Arabs STILL reject the partition plan.  They don't want it and never have.    They don't want a  two state-solution.  They want a one state solution where Israel no longer exists.   The two state solution is the fantasy being imposed on the Arabs and Israel by the international community.  

 

Resolution 181 isn't really even doable and harking back to that resolution is pointless.  Resolution 181 depends on the Arabs also recognizing Israel as  legitimate nation, and they refuse  to.   Ironically, every time a two-state solution was presented, the Arabs rejected it (1936, 1947 and 2000)    So the problem is really Arabs.

 

It's not a wall,  it is security fence and you need to recognize it for what it is.   Can you say, S-E-C-U-R-I-T-Y F-E-N-C-E?    It is not a wall or a barrier or anything else.  The link you provided completely ignores that the Palestinians made the security fence necessary due to terrorist infiltration into Israel as well as terrorist sniper fire coming from the West Bank.   The UN is not a friend to Israel and frankly refuses to acknowledge that the Palestinians engage in day and night ongoing acts of terrorism against Innocent Israeli civilians men, women and children.

 

The  UN through the UNWRA continues to keep the Palestinians as refugees and only allows them benefits so long as they maintain refugee status.   The UN is neither a fair nor objective source for information.   The UN is littered with a majority anti-Semtic, pro terror nations who are guilty of supporting terrorism against Israel.   The UN is a supporter of terrorism and is decidedly against Israel an the legitimacy of Israel's existence.

 

For that reason, I really don't view your continued appeals to the UN as being important or authoritative.   All you can do is repost the same lies and misinformation over and ove

 

 

I understand and appreciate you are expressing your opinion on the matter.  It has spurred me on to further reading to deepen my understanding of what has been transpiring in this region of the world  From everything I read from the UN, if I am to weigh the two stances comparatively to each other, then, logically speaking, it seems one should give most weight to the first hand testimony of the principal governing body involved as to events and intentions and results. I find that the UN and the legal findings and opinions from this international body, which you yourself appealed to, carries far more weight, being first hand evidence.  Logically speaking then, the UN, the originator of the original resolution, would be the best and most competent judge and authority, being the original source and creator of resolution 181, regarding its continued legitimacy.  

 

As far as the wall goes, I do understand it is referred to both within and without Israel in several ways, one of which is "security fence"  among others such as  "separation barrier" by B'TSELEM The Israel Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories, so I don't find the name "security fence" alone to be compelling in understanding its effect or use.

 

I do find first appealing to the UN in regards to the legitimacy (or lack thereof) for the non-existence of the State of Palestine, then denigrating this same body you appealed to, to be confusing.

[thereselittleflower]

  I agree with you, and I am much more concerned about the 'evil' in the US administration, than in the Vatican  ,which is small

peanuts in comparison to the destructive  power of your nation . There are many looking in the wrong direction for the 'enemy'.,

 

Thallasa, I have to agree.   I am much more concerned with what is happening in my own backyard than I am in the Vatican.

[thereselittleflower]

Again, Thallasa and I am only going to say this once more.   Stop with the America bashing and the anti-Semitic Jew bashing or else I am reporting you to the moderators!!!   This thread is not for you to tear down America or spew lies about the Jews and if you keep it up you WILL be reported.   Do you understand???

 

What happened to kindness, etc?   I have seen no bashing of the US.  In my opinion Thallasa has expressed legitimate concerns.  Can one not express their concerns without worrying about being treated unkindly?  I am confused by what I see happening here in contrast with the very well written 10 commandments of forum posting on this site.  

Edited July 3, 2015 by thereselittleflower

[Guest shiloh357]

She comes on every thread over and over and over again, just to bash the US over and over and over again, not to engage the conversation, but to air her hatred of the US and now evidently, she has shown she also anti-Semitic.   So my comments are not unwarranted.   And the lack of kindness is from her not me.   She knows I am American and makes a point to jump on threads I am participating in just to stick in my eye about her hatred of the US and I simply expressed the fact that I have come to the end of the line with this nonsense and not putting up with it anymore.  That's not unkind. The kindness was that I have waited for weeks and months until it just gets too ridiculous to wink at anymore.

[thereselittleflower]

She comes on every thread over and over and over again, just to bash the US over and over and over again, not to engage the conversation, but to air her hatred of the US and now evidently, she has shown she also anti-Semitic.   So my comments are not unwarranted.   And the lack of kindness is from her not me.   She knows I am American and makes a point to jump on threads I am participating in just to stick in my eye about her hatred of the US and I simply expressed the fact that I have come to the end of the line with this nonsense and not putting up with it anymore.  That's not unkind. The kindness was that I have waited for weeks and months until it just gets too ridiculous to wink at anymore.

 

Where do you see antisemitism?   I am also American and didn't see hatred against the US.    There is a great deal to be concerned about in the US right now  - I think we can all agree on that issue.

[Guest shiloh357]

Actually I was not giving you any opinions.  I have studied the Palestinian/Arab onging war of attrition against Israel for over 20 years and have forgotten more about this topic than you likely know.   

 

What I have provided is the CORRECT history and sequence of events.   You appeal to an anti-Semitic organization that is hostile to Israel as  if they are an objective source for understanding of this conflict and the security fence.

 

The security fence is what it is, and what the Israeli gov't calls it and has always called it.  I am being kind in assuming that you don't know what you're talking about and are simply ignorant regarding the actual history and dynamics of this conflict.  I am running form the assumption that you don't believe that Israel is an illegitimate nation.

 

My postion is correct.  Your position is wrong and based on ignorance and wrong information, very poorly applied.