Defender of the Faith?

[OldSchool2]

from TheBlaze:

"'Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest?' (King Henry II)

"At least the disagreement between King Henry II and The Archbishop of Canterbury was over matters having to do with the church. Pope Francis is so busy righting the wrongs with capitalism, foreign policy and the environment that he hasn’t found the time to comment on matters of faith.

"Jesus unleashed Christianity on the world when He charged Peter with the authority to build His church. It didn’t include any reference to a government program. It was as simple as leading others to Him. 'No one approaches the Father but through me.'

"Apostles, such as Paul, took that message as far as their travels and writings could reach. As the message spread the flock increased ...

"The quickest way to lose one’s following is to dilute the spiritual message with temporal distractions. Many leaders of large denominations have felt compelled to become relevant by speaking out on current political issues. Their flock has declined in number in direct correspondence to their increased political relevance...."

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/pope-francis-has-a-problem-and-it-has-everything-to-do-with-him-being-a-defender-of-the-faith/

[Riverwalker]

This is what happens when we put men in the seat of Jesus Christ

 

The inerrancy of the word of Christ should the focus of the church and not Social Justice

 

But the flaws inherent on any group of men that thinks it is at the tiller of ship of Christianity would tend to be grave and have been grave.

 

With John Paul II we were blessed with a man who put God first.  Francis is putting feelings first

 

all well intended...but as another quote says" The road to hell is paved with good intentions"

Edited July 13, 2015 by Riverwalker

[thereselittleflower]

actually also, "well intended" helps no one when opposed to GOD'S WORD (like the rcc is and always has been). many many thousands, probably millions, of souls have been marketed and trampled and deceived ongoing, continually, for almost 2000 years by the alternative to Christ one world power seeking business ('church'). the documentation/ proof is exhaustive ever since the first century all the way through to the present. NEVER-THE-LESS, TRUST ONLY SCRIPTURE. and that is enough, yahweh willing, to distinguish the truth from the lie.

 

 

My 3 year prayerful search deep into the history of the Church,  and christian faith, reading and investigating original source material, revealed just the opposite.

Edited July 15, 2015 by thereselittleflower

[Guest shiloh357]

The RCC has a history of being a murderous cult.  Despite some Catholics who have done humanitarian services, the RCC has a long history of persecuting and murdering Jews and anyone else who wasn't Catholic.  Even some of the Popes murdered their way into the Papacy (so much for apostolic succession).

[Your closest friendnt]

I am in search to establish, what BIBLE was read to the warden of the jail in Macedonia and wether it had positive or negative results?

[kwikphilly]

Are you talking about the Philippian jailer that Paul preached the Gospel to ? The Bible(as we know it) was not yet written .......I say "as we know it " because there was the Tanakh & such but thats an entirely different topic

                                                                                                      With love-in Christ,Kwik

 

 

 

 

This may be helpful,,,,,,https://www.intervarsity.org/bible-studies/acts-16

[thereselittleflower]

The RCC has a history of being a murderous cult.  Despite some Catholics who have done humanitarian services, the RCC has a long history of persecuting and murdering Jews and anyone else who wasn't Catholic.  Even some of the Popes murdered their way into the Papacy (so much for apostolic succession).

 

 

Please don't spread lies and calumny against believers in Christ like this.

[thereselittleflower]

Are you talking about the Philippian jailer that Paul preached the Gospel to ? The Bible(as we know it) was not yet written .......I say "as we know it " because there was the Tanakh & such but thats an entirely different topic

                                                                                                      With love-in Christ,Kwik

 

 

 

 

This may be helpful,,,,,,https://www.intervarsity.org/bible-studies/acts-16

 

 

The New Testament books had not been written yet.  The Old Testament and what are now known as the apocryphal books, the 7 books Luther took out of the Bible, were in use by the first Christians in the Greek Septuagint version of the scriptures, which was the predominately one used throughout the Jewish and Christian world at the time of Christ and the Apostles.    This may sound a bit startling, but Greek was thelingua franca of the day and most Jews spoke and read Greek.  This had been true for a couple hundred years before Christ, which is why the Jewish leaders had the Hebrew scriptures translated into the Greek.

 

The heavy use of the Septuagint is evident in the New Testament writings where the Old Testament is quoted.  The vast majority of time, the Septuagint is quoted over the Hebrew version, which is why the quotes don't exactly line up with the Old Testament predominately in use today by us, being English translations of the Hebrew texts. In addition, there are several references from Books used as scripture by the ancient Jews of Jesus' time that did not make it into the Christian canon of scripture, such as the Book of Enoch.

 

One loses a lot of understanding of and about the Bible without taking in the history of the Septuagint version.

 

Also of interest is the concept of a closed canon of scripture.   I, as many of you probably, was taught the scriptures were closed at the time of Christ.  As I studied history, I found that this was certainly not the case.  The Hebrew canon did not become closed until after the Apostles were gone, around the end of the 1st century, into the 2nd century.  That means the Jews, as well as the Christians after them, up through the time of Christ and the Apostles, continued to add books to their scripture, and these books were written in Greek since that was the common language used by Jews.  These became known as the Deuterocanonicals.    

 

It was because of the Greek Septuagint, which included these Deuterocanonicals , that two situations arose which gave rise to what these Jewish leaders perceived as  major threats to the continued existence of the Jewish people.

 

These threats were: 

 

1) the zealots' use of Maccabees to justify their attacks against Rome,  and the severity of Rome's response, such as the sacking of Jerusalem and the Destruction of the Temple, including the rising of the Abomination of Desolation Christ warned would occur within the generation he spoke those words to,  in 70 AD.  They believed that Rome would utterly destroy and wipe out the Jewish people under its control because of the zealots.

 

and 

 

2) the very effective use of the Septuagint Greek scriptures to make converts from Judaism to Christianity, in particular using the prophecy in Isaiah 

 

"Behold a virgin shall conceive and bear a son"

 

In the Septuagint, this prophecy of the  virgin birth uses a very unambiguous word for "virgin"   -  it literally means one who has never known a man.   Christians were able to show how Christ perfectly fulfilled this prophecy of the miraculous birth, and thus gain many converts to Christianity.    This threatened the existence of the Jewish faith and people in their eyes.   In contrast the Hebrew version of this verse uses a more ambiguous word, which can simply mean a young maiden and not necessarily a virgin.

 

 

To combat these two threats, they dealt with the common element in both, the use of the Greek Septuagint.   By forcing Jews to go back to using the Greek scriptures only, the Deuterocanonicals would be relegated to a position of being lower than scripture and lose their power and force as justification for the continued revolt by the zealots, and by elevating  the Hebrew version over this Greek version, they substituted, as scripture, the less clear, more ambiguous wording in the prophecy of the virgin birth.   

 

Then, because Greek was still thelingua franca of the day, they created a new Greek translation of the scriptures, this time, containing only the books found to be written in Hebrew.

 

However, this did not have a great deal of force on Jewish populations, and there was argument about this course of action that lasted for 500 years.  And groups, such as the Ethiopian Jews never did pay it any heed and still use the Septuagint today.

 

When the first canons of scripture were settled on in the late 4th and early 5th centuries by Church councils, the Deuterocanonicals were included.  It was not until Luther that any one removed them from the canon of Christian scripture.  And then his decision did not have any effect on the majority of christians in the world.

 

 

 

So the answer to your question is the scriptures used with the jailor were the Septuagint scriptures, which contains, in the Book of Wisdom, one of the most clearest, detailed prophecies of Jesus' passion and death in all of scripture:

 

Wisdom 2:12-24 

 

11 Let our might be the yardstick of right, since weakness argues its own futility.

12 Let us lay traps for the upright man, since he annoys us and opposes our way of life, reproaches us for our sins against the Law, and accuses us of sins against our upbringing.

13 He claims to have knowledge of God, and calls himself a child of the Lord.

14 We see him as a reproof to our way of thinking, the very sight of him weighs our spirits down;

15 for his kind of life is not like other people's, and his ways are quite different.

16 In his opinion we are counterfeit; he avoids our ways as he would filth; he proclaims the final end of the upright as blessed and boasts of having God for his father.

17 Let us see if what he says is true, and test him to see what sort of end he will have.

\18 For if the upright man is God's son, God will help him and rescue him from the clutches of his enemies.

19 Let us test him with cruelty and with torture, and thus explore this gentleness of his and put his patience to the test.

20 Let us condemn him to a shameful death since God will rescue him -- or so he claims.'

21 This is the way they reason, but they are misled, since their malice makes them blind.

22 They do not know the hidden things of God, they do not hope for the reward of holiness, they do not believe in a reward for blameless souls.

23 For God created human beings to be immortal, he made them as an image of his own nature;

24 Death came into the world only through the Devil's envy, as those who belong to him find to their cost.

 

 

Undoubtedly this passage would have been a prophecy of scripture used by the apostles.

 

Should we not be using the same today?

[AllTheGoodNamesAreTaken]

"If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth."

[Willa]

The Pope seems to know more about the world than about the Christian faith and the Bible.  When he comments on the latter, for which he is supposed to be infallible, he gets it wrong and is corrected by the authorities in church doctrine.  After all, he told us that good atheists will go to heaven.  He does seem to be making poor choices.  The blind leading the blind, yet, as stated above, he thinks he can see.  How sad a state for so many people to be led into deeper darkness.  He seems to be leaning toward liberation theology, which the Catholic church has already condemned as a Marxist cult.