Your closest friendnt Posted July 20, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,870 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,764 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted July 20, 2015 How can explain that, we have to give an account for what we say and what we do, that we are responsible for our actions and not Jesus Christ? That some day we not Christ, we may be judge for our works to receive a due reward. . We must exercise our free will to cooperate with God's grace. It is a choice we make. We are empowered to make that choice, but we are not forced to make that choice. That's exactly what I am saying, we may have a new awareness in Jesus Christ, but we are the ones to decide what we do and what we don't do, we are influence by our faith, but we are responsible for our selfs, not Jesus Christ, That's why we are judge by many around us but also by him , who gives the rewards to every one, and also gives his disapproval. I have a friend, who is saying, I gave it to Jesus and he did not took from me. He blames Jesus. He makes Jesus responsible. I said, it's because he wants you to fight it off your self. To conquer it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted July 20, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,870 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,764 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted July 20, 2015 How can explain that, we have to give an account for what we say and what we do, that we are responsible for our actions and not Jesus Christ? That some day we not Christ, we may be judge for our works to receive a due reward. . What exactly are you asking? And what is your basis for the question? Hello brother, you right is not easy to figure out what I am suggesting, I did not mean it that way thought, no offence, only there is something in your suggestions, that's makes me say, no that's not so, I don't want to get involve, but if you want to have a discussion, let me know. I don't want to violently force you into a discussion. What do you actually mean, Saved by Grace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdemoss Posted July 21, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 59 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,402 Content Per Day: 0.98 Reputation: 2,154 Days Won: 28 Joined: 02/10/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/26/1971 Author Share Posted July 21, 2015 What do I mean by Saved by Grace? I mean to say that my part is receiving while Gods part is giving. I mean to say that He sought me. I did not seek Him. I mean to say He called me. I mean to say He gave me faith. I mean to say that God empowers me to live as I do today. I mean to say that good works do nothing to add to that which God has already done. I was supposed to be doing good always anyways. I mean to say that God is not indebt to me requiring Him to save me but rather my indebtedness is unto Him and presenting my body as a living sacrifice is merely my reasonable service upon said debt. God is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted July 22, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,870 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,764 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted July 22, 2015 What do I mean by Saved by Grace? I mean to say that my part is receiving while Gods part is giving. I mean to say that He sought me. I did not seek Him. I mean to say He called me. I mean to say He gave me faith. I mean to say that God empowers me to live as I do today. I mean to say that good works do nothing to add to that which God has already done. I was supposed to be doing good always anyways. I mean to say that God is not indebt to me requiring Him to save me but rather my indebtedness is unto Him and presenting my body as a living sacrifice is merely my reasonable service upon said debt. God is good. I am not your enemy, and I may not even be your brother of the same doctrine but I your brother in believing Jesus died for us. A friend ask me, what does he mean? And I said, let's ask him. Easy man don't get offended. Do you have the power, to stop us from thinking? "Jesus gave you faith" do you want me, to ask something? Do you suggest that if someone does not have faith, do we have to blame Jesus for that? It is because Jesus did not want to, or he did not want them to have faith? I want to leave it like that. I am not against you!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted July 22, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.34 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted July 22, 2015 What do you actually mean, Saved by Grace? The OP was a personal testimony which every Christian can agree to. But to address your question let's break this down a little: 1. All humanity is on the road to Hell. 2. No sinner can save himself from either physical death or eternal Hell. 3. While God's righteousness and justice demand that sinners pay the full penalty for their sins, God grace offers every sinner salvation from Hell (and much more besides). 4. This salvation is only possible because of who Christ is and what He accomplished in His death, burial, and resurrection. 5. When Jesus went to the Cross voluntarily and willingly, that too was God's grace in action. 6. When a sinner turns to the Savior for salvation, God gives him the gift of eternal life purely because of His grace. 7. Thus we are all saved by grace and kept by the power of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted July 22, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,870 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,764 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted July 22, 2015 What do you actually mean, Saved by Grace? The OP was a personal testimony which every Christian can agree to. But to address your question let's break this down a little: 1. All humanity is on the road to Hell. 2. No sinner can save himself from either physical death or eternal Hell. 3. While God's righteousness and justice demand that sinners pay the full penalty for their sins, God grace offers every sinner salvation from Hell (and much more besides). 4. This salvation is only possible because of who Christ is and what He accomplished in His death, burial, and resurrection. 5. When Jesus went to the Cross voluntarily and willingly, that too was God's grace in action. 6. When a sinner turns to the Savior for salvation, God gives him the gift of eternal life purely because of His grace. 7. Thus we are all saved by grace and kept by the power of God. Let's examine 2nd Timothy chapter one and verse ten, What does it mean Jesus has "abolish death"? And Jesus statement " I have the keys of Hades and death" Something I did not have before, but now I do, I open (what does he open) and nobody can close(what is he taulking about) and I close and nobody can open. O' death where is thy sting. What is the sting of death? WHAT IS THE ORIGIN ? Now I am something I was not before. THE JUDGE OF ALL . Every body gives account to me? Why not before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdemoss Posted July 22, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 59 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,402 Content Per Day: 0.98 Reputation: 2,154 Days Won: 28 Joined: 02/10/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/26/1971 Author Share Posted July 22, 2015 What do I mean by Saved by Grace? I mean to say that my part is receiving while Gods part is giving. I mean to say that He sought me. I did not seek Him. I mean to say He called me. I mean to say He gave me faith. I mean to say that God empowers me to live as I do today. I mean to say that good works do nothing to add to that which God has already done. I was supposed to be doing good always anyways. I mean to say that God is not indebt to me requiring Him to save me but rather my indebtedness is unto Him and presenting my body as a living sacrifice is merely my reasonable service upon said debt. God is good. I am not your enemy, and I may not even be your brother of the same doctrine but I your brother in believing Jesus died for us. A friend ask me, what does he mean? And I said, let's ask him. Easy man don't get offended. Do you have the power, to stop us from thinking? "Jesus gave you faith" do you want me, to ask something? Do you suggest that if someone does not have faith, do we have to blame Jesus for that? It is because Jesus did not want to, or he did not want them to have faith? I want to leave it like that. I am not against you!! He gave me faith and I received it. It is not His fault if someone rejects the faith He offers. He came into His own and His own received Him not therefore He became King to any who would receive Him. He is King regardless of whether or not we receive Him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted July 22, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.34 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted July 22, 2015 Let's examine 2nd Timothy chapter one and verse ten, What does it mean Jesus has "abolish death"? And Jesus statement " I have the keys of Hades and death" Something I did not have before, but now I do, I open (what does he open) and nobody can close(what is he taulking about) and I close and nobody can open. O' death where is thy sting. What is the sting of death? WHAT IS THE ORIGIN ? Now I am something I was not before. THE JUDGE OF ALL . Every body gives account to me? Why not before? Now you are on a number of different subjects which are indirectly related to your question, and off topic. Anyway I will clarify: Christ abolished death by (1) being resurrected after dying for the sins of the world, (2) ensuring that every believer will be either resurrected or receive immortality at the Rapture. Once there is a New Heavens and a New Earth, there will never again be death on earth. The "keys of death and Hades" are metaphorically (1) the resurrection, (2) the ascension and (3) the exaltation of Christ at the right hand of the Father. When Christ ascended to Heaven, He took all the righteous dead out of Hades with Him. Metaphorically, He unlocked Hades and removed the captives from there. Imagine that sin is a poisonous serpent. When it bites you that is the "sting" of death, because the poison of sin has entered into you and killed you. The sting of death is sin, because the wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23). Adam was told that the day he would disobey God (sin) he would die. He died spiritually that day, and physically after about 900 years. But all humans die because of Adam, and all humanity faces Hell (eternal death or separation from God) also. That is the total sting of death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted July 24, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.69 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted July 24, 2015 What do you actually mean, Saved by Grace? The OP was a personal testimony which every Christian can agree to. But to address your question let's break this down a little: 1. All humanity is on the road to Hell. 2. No sinner can save himself from either physical death or eternal Hell. 3. While God's righteousness and justice demand that sinners pay the full penalty for their sins, God grace offers every sinner salvation from Hell (and much more besides). 4. This salvation is only possible because of who Christ is and what He accomplished in His death, burial, and resurrection. 5. When Jesus went to the Cross voluntarily and willingly, that too was God's grace in action. 6. When a sinner turns to the Savior for salvation, God gives him the gift of eternal life purely because of His grace. 7. Thus we are all saved by grace and kept by the power of God. Let's examine 2nd Timothy chapter one and verse ten, What does it mean Jesus has "abolish death"? And Jesus statement " I have the keys of Hades and death" Something I did not have before, but now I do, I open (what does he open) and nobody can close(what is he taulking about) and I close and nobody can open. O' death where is thy sting. What is the sting of death? WHAT IS THE ORIGIN ? Now I am something I was not before. THE JUDGE OF ALL . Every body gives account to me? Why not before? "I open and nobody acan close and I close and nobody can open" This is the power of a king. It harkens back to the Davidic Kingdom and the power the Chief Steward operated in the stead of the King when the King was absent - the position of a Prime Minister or Major Domo. All were to treat the Chief Steward as if he ruled as the King himself in the King's absence. In Isaiah, we see God removing one Chief Steward and replacing him with another, and this very same language is used to describe the Chief Stewards kingly powers. Isaiah 22: Shebna and Eliakim 15 Thus says the Lord, the God of hosts: Up, go to that official, Shebna,[g] master of the palace, 16 [h]“What have you here? Whom have you here, that you have hewn for yourself a tomb here,Hewing a tomb on high, carving a resting place in the rock?” 17 The Lord shall hurl you down headlong, mortal man! He shall grip you firmly, 18 And roll you up and toss you like a ball into a broad land.There you will die, there with the chariots you glory in, you disgrace to your master’s house! 19 I will thrust you from your office and pull you down from your station. 20 On that day I will summon my servant Eliakim,[i] son of Hilkiah; 21 I will clothe him with your robe, gird him with your sash, confer on him your authority.He shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah. 22 I will place the key[j] of the House of David on his shoulder; what he opens, no one will shut, what he shuts, no one will open. 23 I will fix him as a peg in a firm place, a seat of honor for his ancestral house; 24 On him shall hang all the glory of his ancestral house:[k] descendants and offspring, all the little dishes, from bowls to jugs. 25 On that day, says the Lord of hosts, the peg fixed in a firm place shall give way, break off and fall, and the weight that hung on it shall be done away with; for the Lord has spoken. Jesus using this phrasing in his message to the one of the Churches at the beginning of Revelation, is another demonstration he is ruling as King now - exercising the clear power of the King in the Davidic Kingdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_S Posted July 24, 2015 Group: Servant Followers: 25 Topic Count: 275 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 5,208 Content Per Day: 0.99 Reputation: 1,893 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted July 24, 2015 Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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