The Lord Jesus Christ

[Guest shiloh357]

Mary is not the mother of God.    Mary is the mother of the humanity of Jesus in his incarnation.   As God, Jesus has no mother, as Jesus was pre-existent.   God is Mary's Creator.  God is Mary's Father, but God has no mother  

Shilo,   when Catholics and Eastern Orthodox say Mother of God, you completely misunderstand them.

I have tried to explain it to you.

Yet you continue to persist in your misunderstanding.

So let me take a different approach.

 

What "Mother of God" DOES NOT mean:

 

"Mother of God" does not mean that Mary is the source of God.

"Mother of God" does not mean God cannot exist without Mary.

"Mother of God" does not mean Mary came before God.

 

As I said above, it simply means the child she bore was truly God as well as truly man from the moment of Jesus' conception.

 

That's ALL it means.

Use of the title, Theotokos was formally sanctioned by the Ecumenical Council of Ephesus in 431. The Church declared that both Divine and human natures were united in the person of Jesus, the son of Mary. Hence, Mary may be called Theotokos, since the son she bore according to the flesh, Jesus, is truly one of the Divine persons of the Trinity. This Marian title is really a Christological statement, which affirms that the second person of the Trinity, who was born into history as fully human, is really 'God with us'.

 

http://campus.udayton.edu/mary/questions/faq/faq19.html

 

Please take time to educate yourself, so you may stop misrepresenting the words of others.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I really can't say it better than Matt Slick:

 

Mary is called the mother of God in the Catechism of the Catholic Church 29 times in the following paragraphs: 466, 467, 469, 493, 495, 509, 721, 963, 966, 971, 975, 1014, 1020, 1138, 1161, 1172, 1187, 1192, 1195, 2131, 2177, 2502, 2619, 2675, 2677, 2678, 2725, 2827, 2853. Within these paragraphs that call Mary the mother of God, we see some pretty bold statements about her.

1.  "the all-holy ever-virgin Mother of God, is the masterwork of the mission of the Son . . . " (CCC 721)
2.  "the Holy Mother of God, the new Eve, Mother of the Church" (CCC 975)
3.  "our inviolate Lady, the holy Mother of God . . . " (CCC 1161)
4.  "This spiritual beauty of God is reflected in the most holy Virgin Mother of God . . . " (CCC 2502)

Such exalted praises of Mary cannot be justified from Scripture. Instead, they are inventions of the Roman Catholic Church. Yes, Mary bore the Messiah who is God in flesh, but she is not the "mother of God" in the sense that she was before Him and/or superior to Him as is what motherhood implies.

The Mother of God

God Himself is a supreme being, and the emotional inference of being the "mother of" someone carries with it authority over, maturity beyond, and even superiority. This kind of attitude has led to further errors.

1. She is called the second Eve, (Mystici Corpois Christ, par. 110)
2. Expressed devotion to Mary, (CCC 971)
3. They pray to Mary, (CCC 2679)
4. "Mary sits at the right hand of Christ," (Pope Pius X, 1835-1914, Ad Diem Illum Laetissimum, 14)
5. Mary is second only to Jesus, (Handbook for Todays Catholic, p. 31)
6. "so no man goeth to Christ but by His Mother," (Vatican Website: Encyclical of Pope Leo 13th on the Rosary, Octobri Mense, Pope Leo 13th, 1903-1914)

Problems with "Mother of God"

As you can see from the above quotes, Mary is highly exalted. Along with her exaltation is the implication that Mary has better access to Jesus because she is His mother and Jesus will listen to His mother. I've heard countless Roman Catholics tell me this. Add to this the error that no one goes to Christ but through Mary (Pope Leo 13th) and it should be clear that Mary is being idolized beyond what is appropriate. That is why Roman Catholicism advocates praying to Mary (CCC 2679). This is a problem because this leads to people putting their focus, hope, and prayers in Mary instead of Jesus. This is heresy. It is idolatry.

An additional problem is found when we compare Mary in relation to God the Trinity (the teaching that there are three persons in the Godhead, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). When the Catholic Church says that Mary is the "mother of God," there is the possibility of implying that Mary is the mother of the Trinity. Since this is not logically possible, the Catholics would have to understand the term in a different sense. They would, of course, say that Mary is only the mother of the second person of the Trinity, the Word. But they don't clarify this very often. Instead, they continually use the phrase, "mother of God," and leave it open that somehow Mary has a special relationship to God Himself by being the mother of Christ. Again, this is dangerous since it encourages people to take their eyes off of Christ and putting on to the creature: Mary.

God is the preeminent one, the most important and praiseworthy being in the universe. God has no "mother." He is the creator of all things. Motherhood, on the other hand, is a biological function (as it is used in the context of Mary in Roman Catholicism), not one dealing with the nature and essence of God as it relates to a human being who is a mother. But, God has no mother. There is nothing, and there is no one before Him, equal to Him, or comparable to Him. We must guard His glory and not give it to another.

Finally, the term, "mother of God," runs the risk of suggesting that Mary is somehow divine and part of the Godhead. So far, the Roman Catholic Church does not teach this, but there is a movement within Catholic adherents to exalt Mary to the level of divinity. The Roman Catholic Church, so far, has rightly denounced this proposal, but it does not mean that later on there might be a movement that succeeds in elevating her to divinity or semi-divinity. After all, consider the above references that exalt her far beyond what the Scriptures teach. If the Roman Catholic Church can go beyond what is written in Scripture (1 Corinthians 4:6) in disregard to it, who is to say that it won't eventually elevate her to the status equal to a goddess?  (Retrieved from>>>  https://carm.org/is-mary-the-mother-of-god )

Shalom, shiloh357.

You probably can’t appreciate this, but I find it oddly ironic that you will vehemently stand against the worship of Miryam, but strongly advocate the worship of Yeshua`, Miryam’s son. Miryam can’t be the “Mother of God,” but Yeshua` can be "God the Son.” There’s just some interesting parallels; that’s all.

I, too, stand against the RCC in their opinion on the “Mother of God,” which is a RCC invention, but I also stand against the RCC in their doctrine of the “Trinity” and the concept of “God the Son,” which is ALSO a RCC invention!

Just something to think about....

Jesus supposed to be our object of worship.  Jesus is God according to Isa.9: 6-7.    Jesus is our Great God and Savior (Titus 2: 13).   Jesus is called God in Heb. 1:8.   God the Son and Son of God both mean the same thing and neither are Catholic inventions.   

The phrase, "Son of"  in Hebrew thought is a phrase that equates two objects.   Jesus referred to James and John as "sons of thunder."  He equated their violent tempers to thunder.   Simon bar Kokhba was "Simon son of a star."   It was used to proclaim him to a messiah.    When Jesus was called the, Son of God, it was equating Jesus with the Father and Jesus' enemies correctly understood it be a reference to deity.   Jesus referring to God as His Father, was blasphemous because Jesus was proclaiming His Godhood.  By calling Himself, the Son of God, Jesus was declaring his deity.    That's why they wanted to stone him for blasphemy.

God created the universe, but Jesus is called the Creator of the universe in John 1:1-3, Col.1:15-18 and Hebrews 1:1-2.    So, your denial of Jesus deity really has no foundation in biblical truth.

I know lots of Messianic Jews and they would reject your views as heretical.  And they all worship Jesus.

Shabbat shalom, shiloh357.

There is a lot of truth in your first sentence; probably more than you intended. You said, “Jesus [is] supposed to be our object of worship.” You obviously meant that it is the right thing to do. I, however, understand “supposed” as the verb form of a “supposition.” As such, the sentence could also mean “Jesus is ASSUMED to be our object of worship."

I also understand the meaning of the word “worship” and therefore have no problem worshipping Him.

NT:4352 proskuneoo (pros-koo-neh'-o); from NT:4314 and a probable derivative of NT:2965 (meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master's hand); to fawn or crouch to, i.e. (literally or figuratively) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore):

KJV - worship.

(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

This is the correct meaning of the word “worship,” and it is precisely what a person does before a King. It’s what anyone who wishes an audience with a king must do; he must first show respect to that king! This will be done to the King of Kings or World Emperor when He is reigning over many nations during the Millennium. He SHALL be respected when “every knee shall bow to the King."

Jesus   is God, thus he is the object of our worship, as is the Father and Holy Spirit.   We worship all persons of the Godhead equally when we worship God, as all three are God.   Jesus is not assumed to be our object of worship.  He IS our object of worship per the Scriptures.

[thereselittleflower]

Not that I have any interest in arguing ( as I do not ), but I do have a question.

Should some folks be revered above others, or should we simply revere God's purpose in them?

 

We are to give honor to whom honor is due:

Romans 13:7

Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.

 

[Guest shiloh357]

We are to honor the Godhead.  Nowhere in the Bible are we commanded to honor angels, saints in heaven, or Mary.

[thereselittleflower]

Mary is not the mother of God.    Mary is the mother of the humanity of Jesus in his incarnation.   As God, Jesus has no mother, as Jesus was pre-existent.   God is Mary's Creator.  God is Mary's Father, but God has no mother  

Shilo,   when Catholics and Eastern Orthodox say Mother of God, you completely misunderstand them.

I have tried to explain it to you.

Yet you continue to persist in your misunderstanding.

So let me take a different approach.

 

What "Mother of God" DOES NOT mean:

 

"Mother of God" does not mean that Mary is the source of God.

"Mother of God" does not mean God cannot exist without Mary.

"Mother of God" does not mean Mary came before God.

 

As I said above, it simply means the child she bore was truly God as well as truly man from the moment of Jesus' conception.

 

That's ALL it means.

Use of the title, Theotokos was formally sanctioned by the Ecumenical Council of Ephesus in 431. The Church declared that both Divine and human natures were united in the person of Jesus, the son of Mary. Hence, Mary may be called Theotokos, since the son she bore according to the flesh, Jesus, is truly one of the Divine persons of the Trinity. This Marian title is really a Christological statement, which affirms that the second person of the Trinity, who was born into history as fully human, is really 'God with us'.

 

http://campus.udayton.edu/mary/questions/faq/faq19.html

 

Please take time to educate yourself, so you may stop misrepresenting the words of others.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I really can't say it better than Matt Slick:

 

Mary is called the mother of God in the Catechism of the Catholic Church 29 times in the following paragraphs: 466, 467, 469, 493, 495, 509, 721, 963, 966, 971, 975, 1014, 1020, 1138, 1161, 1172, 1187, 1192, 1195, 2131, 2177, 2502, 2619, 2675, 2677, 2678, 2725, 2827, 2853. Within these paragraphs that call Mary the mother of God, we see some pretty bold statements about her.

1.  "the all-holy ever-virgin Mother of God, is the masterwork of the mission of the Son . . . " (CCC 721)
2.  "the Holy Mother of God, the new Eve, Mother of the Church" (CCC 975)
3.  "our inviolate Lady, the holy Mother of God . . . " (CCC 1161)
4.  "This spiritual beauty of God is reflected in the most holy Virgin Mother of God . . . " (CCC 2502)

Such exalted praises of Mary cannot be justified from Scripture. Instead, they are inventions of the Roman Catholic Church. Yes, Mary bore the Messiah who is God in flesh, but she is not the "mother of God" in the sense that she was before Him and/or superior to Him as is what motherhood implies.

The Mother of God

God Himself is a supreme being, and the emotional inference of being the "mother of" someone carries with it authority over, maturity beyond, and even superiority. This kind of attitude has led to further errors.

1. She is called the second Eve, (Mystici Corpois Christ, par. 110)
2. Expressed devotion to Mary, (CCC 971)
3. They pray to Mary, (CCC 2679)
4. "Mary sits at the right hand of Christ," (Pope Pius X, 1835-1914, Ad Diem Illum Laetissimum, 14)
5. Mary is second only to Jesus, (Handbook for Todays Catholic, p. 31)
6. "so no man goeth to Christ but by His Mother," (Vatican Website: Encyclical of Pope Leo 13th on the Rosary, Octobri Mense, Pope Leo 13th, 1903-1914)

Problems with "Mother of God"

As you can see from the above quotes, Mary is highly exalted. Along with her exaltation is the implication that Mary has better access to Jesus because she is His mother and Jesus will listen to His mother. I've heard countless Roman Catholics tell me this. Add to this the error that no one goes to Christ but through Mary (Pope Leo 13th) and it should be clear that Mary is being idolized beyond what is appropriate. That is why Roman Catholicism advocates praying to Mary (CCC 2679). This is a problem because this leads to people putting their focus, hope, and prayers in Mary instead of Jesus. This is heresy. It is idolatry.

An additional problem is found when we compare Mary in relation to God the Trinity (the teaching that there are three persons in the Godhead, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). When the Catholic Church says that Mary is the "mother of God," there is the possibility of implying that Mary is the mother of the Trinity. Since this is not logically possible, the Catholics would have to understand the term in a different sense. They would, of course, say that Mary is only the mother of the second person of the Trinity, the Word. But they don't clarify this very often. Instead, they continually use the phrase, "mother of God," and leave it open that somehow Mary has a special relationship to God Himself by being the mother of Christ. Again, this is dangerous since it encourages people to take their eyes off of Christ and putting on to the creature: Mary.

God is the preeminent one, the most important and praiseworthy being in the universe. God has no "mother." He is the creator of all things. Motherhood, on the other hand, is a biological function (as it is used in the context of Mary in Roman Catholicism), not one dealing with the nature and essence of God as it relates to a human being who is a mother. But, God has no mother. There is nothing, and there is no one before Him, equal to Him, or comparable to Him. We must guard His glory and not give it to another.

Finally, the term, "mother of God," runs the risk of suggesting that Mary is somehow divine and part of the Godhead. So far, the Roman Catholic Church does not teach this, but there is a movement within Catholic adherents to exalt Mary to the level of divinity. The Roman Catholic Church, so far, has rightly denounced this proposal, but it does not mean that later on there might be a movement that succeeds in elevating her to divinity or semi-divinity. After all, consider the above references that exalt her far beyond what the Scriptures teach. If the Roman Catholic Church can go beyond what is written in Scripture (1 Corinthians 4:6) in disregard to it, who is to say that it won't eventually elevate her to the status equal to a goddess?  (Retrieved from>>>  https://carm.org/is-mary-the-mother-of-god )

Unfortunately Matt Slick also does not understand what he's talking about, even for his many words.  He does not understand the words, or meanings of the words, used by millions upon millions of people in both the East and West.

One should not pay much attention to someone who is not willing to actually try to understand what others mean by the words they use.

His possibilities do not exist in Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, Coptic, Oritental Orthodoxy, or with any protestants who use the term  (except, perhaps, someone who doesn't understand christianity to begin with - and even then, I have never met a one).

I have never met a Catholic or Orthodox yet who believes that Mary pre-existed God or is somehow equal with the Trinity, etc.

What I have seen is every single one is very clear that everything about Mary POINTS TO JESUS and she is transparent as the air we breath in comparison to the sun.

This gentle soul spends everything to magnify the Lord and shows us the way to do the same

 

Luke 1 

Mary’s Song of Praise: The Magnificat

46And Mary said,

“My soul magnifies the Lord,
47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
48for he has looked on the humble estate of his servant.
For behold, from now on all generations will call me blessed;
49for he who is mighty has done great things for me,
and holy is his name.
50And his mercy is for those who fear him
from generation to generation.
51He has shown strength with his arm;
he has scattered the proud in the thoughts of their hearts;
52he has brought down the mighty from their thrones
and exalted those of humble estate;
53he has filled the hungry with good things,
and the rich he has sent away empty.
54He has helped his servant Israel,
in remembrance of his mercy,
55as he spoke to our fathers,
to Abraham and to his offspring forever.”

Matt Slick makes up issues where there are none, to frighten away those who don't know any better.  I know. I was one of them.   He is ignorant of what he speaks of.

 

 

Edited August 15, 2015 by thereselittleflower

[Guest shiloh357]

I will take what Matt Slick says over the words of a Catholic, any day.   You can follow Catholicism.  I, on the other hand choose biblical Christianity and Jesus.

[thereselittleflower]

Basically, Mary did as she was told, as have many others. I respect that, as do I God's "choice" in those chosen to fulfill His purpose.

I cannot not however, agree that God's blessings are pure "luck". 

I agree that Mary was blessed. "I believe" we ALL are but not as a matter of chance.

Probably just a matter of wording here, but I did want to clarify my personal thoughts.

I see no harm in respecting Mary for being a servant of God. I just don't believe her obedience ( or anyone else's ) deserves "special" praise above another's. Unless God has told me to hold her in higher regard than others, that is. 

Mary is Kecharitomene - a word only used once in the entire bible, and used in place of her name by the Angel Gabriel.

Edited August 15, 2015 by thereselittleflower

[thereselittleflower]

I will take what Matt Slick says over the words of a Catholic, any day.   You can follow Catholicism.  I, on the other hand choose biblical Christianity and Jesus.

I pray that the Holy Spirit reveals the error of doing so to you Shiloh.

[Guest shiloh357]

The Holy Spirit is not in Roman Catholicism.    It's the Holy Spirit that keeps me from being led into the kind of errors that Roman Catholicism espouses.  

[thereselittleflower]

Mary is not the mother of God.    Mary is the mother of the humanity of Jesus in his incarnation.   As God, Jesus has no mother, as Jesus was pre-existent.   God is Mary's Creator.  God is Mary's Father, but God has no mother  

Shilo,   when Catholics and Eastern Orthodox say Mother of God, you completely misunderstand them.

I have tried to explain it to you.

Yet you continue to persist in your misunderstanding.

So let me take a different approach.

 

What "Mother of God" DOES NOT mean:

 

"Mother of God" does not mean that Mary is the source of God.

"Mother of God" does not mean God cannot exist without Mary.

"Mother of God" does not mean Mary came before God.

 

As I said above, it simply means the child she bore was truly God as well as truly man from the moment of Jesus' conception.

 

That's ALL it means.

Use of the title, Theotokos was formally sanctioned by the Ecumenical Council of Ephesus in 431. The Church declared that both Divine and human natures were united in the person of Jesus, the son of Mary. Hence, Mary may be called Theotokos, since the son she bore according to the flesh, Jesus, is truly one of the Divine persons of the Trinity. This Marian title is really a Christological statement, which affirms that the second person of the Trinity, who was born into history as fully human, is really 'God with us'.

 

http://campus.udayton.edu/mary/questions/faq/faq19.html

 

Please take time to educate yourself, so you may stop misrepresenting the words of others.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I really can't say it better than Matt Slick:

 

Mary is called the mother of God in the Catechism of the Catholic Church 29 times in the following paragraphs: 466, 467, 469, 493, 495, 509, 721, 963, 966, 971, 975, 1014, 1020, 1138, 1161, 1172, 1187, 1192, 1195, 2131, 2177, 2502, 2619, 2675, 2677, 2678, 2725, 2827, 2853. Within these paragraphs that call Mary the mother of God, we see some pretty bold statements about her.

1.  "the all-holy ever-virgin Mother of God, is the masterwork of the mission of the Son . . . " (CCC 721)
2.  "the Holy Mother of God, the new Eve, Mother of the Church" (CCC 975)
3.  "our inviolate Lady, the holy Mother of God . . . " (CCC 1161)
4.  "This spiritual beauty of God is reflected in the most holy Virgin Mother of God . . . " (CCC 2502)

Such exalted praises of Mary cannot be justified from Scripture. Instead, they are inventions of the Roman Catholic Church. Yes, Mary bore the Messiah who is God in flesh, but she is not the "mother of God" in the sense that she was before Him and/or superior to Him as is what motherhood implies.

The Mother of God

God Himself is a supreme being, and the emotional inference of being the "mother of" someone carries with it authority over, maturity beyond, and even superiority. This kind of attitude has led to further errors.

1. She is called the second Eve, (Mystici Corpois Christ, par. 110)
2. Expressed devotion to Mary, (CCC 971)
3. They pray to Mary, (CCC 2679)
4. "Mary sits at the right hand of Christ," (Pope Pius X, 1835-1914, Ad Diem Illum Laetissimum, 14)
5. Mary is second only to Jesus, (Handbook for Todays Catholic, p. 31)
6. "so no man goeth to Christ but by His Mother," (Vatican Website: Encyclical of Pope Leo 13th on the Rosary, Octobri Mense, Pope Leo 13th, 1903-1914)

Problems with "Mother of God"

As you can see from the above quotes, Mary is highly exalted. Along with her exaltation is the implication that Mary has better access to Jesus because she is His mother and Jesus will listen to His mother. I've heard countless Roman Catholics tell me this. Add to this the error that no one goes to Christ but through Mary (Pope Leo 13th) and it should be clear that Mary is being idolized beyond what is appropriate. That is why Roman Catholicism advocates praying to Mary (CCC 2679). This is a problem because this leads to people putting their focus, hope, and prayers in Mary instead of Jesus. This is heresy. It is idolatry.

An additional problem is found when we compare Mary in relation to God the Trinity (the teaching that there are three persons in the Godhead, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). When the Catholic Church says that Mary is the "mother of God," there is the possibility of implying that Mary is the mother of the Trinity. Since this is not logically possible, the Catholics would have to understand the term in a different sense. They would, of course, say that Mary is only the mother of the second person of the Trinity, the Word. But they don't clarify this very often. Instead, they continually use the phrase, "mother of God," and leave it open that somehow Mary has a special relationship to God Himself by being the mother of Christ. Again, this is dangerous since it encourages people to take their eyes off of Christ and putting on to the creature: Mary.

God is the preeminent one, the most important and praiseworthy being in the universe. God has no "mother." He is the creator of all things. Motherhood, on the other hand, is a biological function (as it is used in the context of Mary in Roman Catholicism), not one dealing with the nature and essence of God as it relates to a human being who is a mother. But, God has no mother. There is nothing, and there is no one before Him, equal to Him, or comparable to Him. We must guard His glory and not give it to another.

Finally, the term, "mother of God," runs the risk of suggesting that Mary is somehow divine and part of the Godhead. So far, the Roman Catholic Church does not teach this, but there is a movement within Catholic adherents to exalt Mary to the level of divinity. The Roman Catholic Church, so far, has rightly denounced this proposal, but it does not mean that later on there might be a movement that succeeds in elevating her to divinity or semi-divinity. After all, consider the above references that exalt her far beyond what the Scriptures teach. If the Roman Catholic Church can go beyond what is written in Scripture (1 Corinthians 4:6) in disregard to it, who is to say that it won't eventually elevate her to the status equal to a goddess?  (Retrieved from>>>  https://carm.org/is-mary-the-mother-of-god )

Shalom, shiloh357.

You probably can’t appreciate this, but I find it oddly ironic that you will vehemently stand against the worship of Miryam, but strongly advocate the worship of Yeshua`, Miryam’s son. Miryam can’t be the “Mother of God,” but Yeshua` can be "God the Son.” There’s just some interesting parallels; that’s all.

I, too, stand against the RCC in their opinion on the “Mother of God,” which is a RCC invention, but I also stand against the RCC in their doctrine of the “Trinity” and the concept of “God the Son,” which is ALSO a RCC invention!

Just something to think about....

Jesus supposed to be our object of worship.  Jesus is God according to Isa.9: 6-7.    Jesus is our Great God and Savior (Titus 2: 13).   Jesus is called God in Heb. 1:8.   God the Son and Son of God both mean the same thing and neither are Catholic inventions.   

The phrase, "Son of"  in Hebrew thought is a phrase that equates two objects.   Jesus referred to James and John as "sons of thunder."  He equated their violent tempers to thunder.   Simon bar Kokhba was "Simon son of a star."   It was used to proclaim him to a messiah.    When Jesus was called the, Son of God, it was equating Jesus with the Father and Jesus' enemies correctly understood it be a reference to deity.   Jesus referring to God as His Father, was blasphemous because Jesus was proclaiming His Godhood.  By calling Himself, the Son of God, Jesus was declaring his deity.    That's why they wanted to stone him for blasphemy.

God created the universe, but Jesus is called the Creator of the universe in John 1:1-3, Col.1:15-18 and Hebrews 1:1-2.    So, your denial of Jesus deity really has no foundation in biblical truth.

I know lots of Messianic Jews and they would reject your views as heretical.  And they all worship Jesus.

And how does giving Mary titles that theologically point to her Son, and who her Son is, take anything away from Jesus being the object of our worship?

Catholics and Orthodox only worship the Triune God.

 

[Guest shiloh357]

And how does giving Mary titles that theologically point to her Son, and who her Son is, take anything away from Jesus being the object of our worship?

Catholics and Orthodox only worship the Triune God.

It's more than simply giving her titles.   The RCC honors Mary on par with God.   John Paul II,  after recovering from being shot, gave all the credit for his healing to Mary.   Throngs of people were on St. Peter's square every day praying to Mary, and surrounding an image of Mary while he was recovering.   That is more than simply giving her titles.   The Pope was assigning redemptive attributes like healing to Mary and it is pure idolatry.   Instead of Jesus being object of his worship, he made Mary the object of worship.

Mary would be embarrassed if she were alive to see all this Catholic nonsense attributed to her.