Reasons Christian's (evangelicals) Should Support and Vote for Bernie Sanders

[missmuffet]

It certainly is not the child's fault if a woman is raped.Why should the child suffer the consequences as well?

 

[Steve_S]

We've sat up here in Canada and watched as deregulation and right wing economic policies caused bubble after bubble and hamstrung the American economy. If Trump gets elected, the American economy will get put through the meat grinder. Please don't elect him. Canada and America have some of the most bilateral trade in the world, and the instant the American economy implodes, ours will go down with it.

A fine argument for not becoming so enmeshed with another economy that you cannot survive their bad decisions! It seems canadian politicians are failing in putting the proper amount of checks in place in order to protect canada against a US recession?

[thereselittleflower]

Two things.

Firstly, Bernie Sanders supports the ongoing genocide against the unborn.

Secondly, Bernie Sanders actively endorses the utter destruction of God's natural order in marriage (he is staunchly pro gay marriage).

No, I would not recommend this man as being the "Christian" candidate.

Trump also supports a woman's  "right" to choose:

Trump hails women's health issues, details abortion exemptions

By Jennifer Shutt

08/16/15, 09:00 AM EDT

Updated 08/16/15, 03:46 PM EDT

Donald Trump, calling women’s health issues “very important,” is making it clear he now supports a woman’s right to chose an abortion in the case of rape, incest or if her life is at risk.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/trump-hails-womens-health-issues-details-abortion-exemptions-121401

 

Doesn't sound like he'll be supporting shutting down Planned Parenthood . . .. 

 

 

 

He actually didn't say that in the interview.  And he's not the only GOP candidate that supports the abortion exceptions.  I would have to look at the others before really commenting on them though. 

That's the excuse he used to justify his position.    There would be no need to use such an excuse if he did not share the position.

 

From the interview:

 

In an Aug. 11 interview onCNN’s New Day program, host Chris Cuomo commented on Sen. Marco Rubio’s (R-Fla.) pro-life position and asked, “Marco Rubio, someone running against you, says that he doesn't believe in any carve outs for rape or incest.  That there's no abortion on any level, no matter what. Do you agree with that?”

Donald Trump said, “I disagree with that.  I am for the exceptions.  You have the three exceptions. I'm for the exceptions.  The health of the mother and life of the mother.”

“I absolutely am for the exceptions, and so was Ronald Reagan for the exceptions, by the way,” said Trump.  “There's nothing wrong with that.  You have to do it, in my opinion.”

“Now Marco took a very strong stand,” said Trump.  “I respect him for that.  He believes that.  It's just a different thing.  I am for the exceptions, yes.”

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/trump-i-am-exceptions-abortion-rape-incest-life-mother

 

 

So yes, he did actually say it, and not just once but over and over again.

 

 

Edited September 1, 2015 by thereselittleflower

[thereselittleflower]

It certainly is not the child's fault if a woman is raped.Why should the child suffer the consequences as well?

 

Evidently, to court the vote of women who are pro choice, he now thinks it's ok the child suffer the consequences through being aborted.

 

[Burning_Ember]

We've sat up here in Canada and watched as deregulation and right wing economic policies caused bubble after bubble and hamstrung the American economy. If Trump gets elected, the American economy will get put through the meat grinder. Please don't elect him. Canada and America have some of the most bilateral trade in the world, and the instant the American economy implodes, ours will go down with it.

Oh, come on, B.E.  Canada has a strong economy that stands on it's own.  I think ours affects yours up there but I don't think y'all will implode if we do. 

We export the majority of our of our oil, natural resources, lumber, and manufacturing goods to the U.S. If the U.S. economy implodes, we stop being able to export goods, our businesses crash, we lay off people, and then we can't buy consumer goods from the U.S, which in turn further hurts the States economy. 

In the same way, if China's economy tanked, that means that all those tech companies based in the U.S, which sell 40-50% of their goods in the asian market would tank. China and Canada are America's biggest trading partners.

[JustinM]

Just a few comments.

I lived in the city where Bernie Sanders was the mayor. He was a good mayor but his socialism played a minimal role in city politics. One of the lasting things he did was to take an old abandoned rail road track areas and made bike paths. The bike paths are very popular and connect the furthest points of the city with downtown where most people worked. He was considered such a good mayor that for many years after he left to be in the U.S. assembly, the people continued to elect socialists but none were as popular as Bernie.

As I've said before, Bernie is a strong fighter for the elderly and is one of the few candidates who wants to preserve Social Security and medicare. He is also strong on gun rights. 

Bernie's weaknesses are that he is a socialist. While he says he will fight for the middle class, socialism in other countries destroys the middle class so you end up with the poor and the rich. The biggest weakness in socialism is that is an idealistic belief. But people in power tend not to be so idealistic and fight for more power and money for themselves. So, rather then the idealistic equality, you do end up with poor and rich. When dealing with people, one must consider the fallen nature which prevents socialism from succeeding. When Jesus returns to reign as King, that  is when true equality can occur.

Bernie, although Jewish, does not strongly identify with the Jewish people and is not a strong supporter of Israel. 

I have respect for Bernie because he fights strongly for his beliefs, and is mostly open and transparent about his views. So, you can expect him to fight for what he says he stands for. If you disagree with what he says he stands for, you don't want him. If you agree, you can expect him to follow thru to the best of his ability. 

Bernie has heard the gospel many times, and has shown no interest in Judaism, Christianity or any other religion. He is polite when listening.

It is good to hear from someone who has first-hand experience of Bernie Sanders in action .

I am sure you will concur with me that there is a refreshing aspect to Bernie Sanders......in campaigning he sticks to the issues......he does not engage in the calumny and detraction of other politicians ......which makes him quite unique .

I have found his voting record on abortion.  No Christian could ever support this guy....From OnTheIssues.org:

• Voted NO on restricting UN funding for population control policies. (Mar 2009)
• Voted NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)
• Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion. (Mar 2008)
• Voted NO on barring HHS grants to organizations that perform abortions. (Oct 2007)
• Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
• Voted YES on allowing human embryonic stem cell research. (May 2005)
• Voted NO on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)
• Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)
• Voted NO on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. (Oct 2003)
• Voted YES on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)
• Voted NO on funding for health providers who don't provide abortion info. (Sep 2002)
• Voted NO on banning Family Planning funding in US aid abroad. (May 2001)
• Voted NO on banning partial-birth abortions. (Apr 2000)
• Voted NO on barring transporting minors to get an abortion. (Jun 1999)
• Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record. (Dec 2003)
• Emergency contraception for rape victims at all hospitals. (Sep 2006)
• Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance. (Dec 2006)
• Provide emergency contraception at military facilities. (Apr 2007)
• Require pharmacies to fulfill contraceptive prescriptions. (Jul 2011)
• Ban anti-abortion limitations on abortion services. (Nov 2013)
• Protect the reproductive rights of women. (Jan 1993)
• Ensure access to and funding for contraception. (Feb 2007)
• Focus on preventing pregnancy, plus emergency contraception. (Jan 2009)

Thanks for the research MG!

[Guest shiloh357]

If Trump were not a megalomaniac I would sort of like to see the general election be between Trump and Sanders.  The ultimate showdown between capitalism vs socialism.   Let the populous decide which direction to take the country by two people honest about their intentions. 

Unless you're Trump's close friend or a licensed therapist, and I'm pretty sure you are neither, I don't think you are in a position to label him a megalomaniac. 

I don't think that's true at all.

 

 

meg·a·lo·ma·ni·ac
ˌmeɡələˈmānēˌak/
noun
1.
a person who is obsessed with their own power.

 

That seems to describe Trump very well.

I would think the only people who would have an issue with the obvious being stated are those engaging in hero worship, who turn a blind eye to his many faults and failings and lack of expertise and competence  to run a country.

 

 

He is not a megalomaniac.  He simply has courage and confidence and can't be cowed by the PC crowd.   He is an actual leader and not just an establishment puppet that spews out their predetermined, pre-scripted rhetoric.   He actually loves this country more than any of the establishment crowd.  No one is worshipping him.  We simply like having a leader who leads from the front instead of weaklings who have their finger in the air and measure their words against what the polls say.

[MorningGlory]

We've sat up here in Canada and watched as deregulation and right wing economic policies caused bubble after bubble and hamstrung the American economy. If Trump gets elected, the American economy will get put through the meat grinder. Please don't elect him. Canada and America have some of the most bilateral trade in the world, and the instant the American economy implodes, ours will go down with it.

Oh, come on, B.E.  Canada has a strong economy that stands on it's own.  I think ours affects yours up there but I don't think y'all will implode if we do. 

We export the majority of our of our oil, natural resources, lumber, and manufacturing goods to the U.S. If the U.S. economy implodes, we stop being able to export goods, our businesses crash, we lay off people, and then we can't buy consumer goods from the U.S, which in turn further hurts the States economy. 

In the same way, if China's economy tanked, that means that all those tech companies based in the U.S, which sell 40-50% of their goods in the asian market would tank. China and Canada are America's biggest trading partners.

Well, I may have to concede that you have some valid points there.  Economies are so interdependent these days.  The drop in oil prices is really affecting my company, for sure.  I agree that a further downturn in the Chinese economy may not bode well for the U.S. or Canada.  Not sure about the U.K. and others in Europe.  Or  India.  Where's Peacemaker?  He could answer that one.  Looks like I talked myself out of arguing with you, B.E. 

[MorningGlory]

 

So yes, he did actually say it, and not just once but over and over again.

 

 

Okay; point taken.  So who do YOU support as a Presidential candidate? 

[thereselittleflower]

 

So yes, he did actually say it, and not just once but over and over again.

 

 

Okay; point taken.  So who do YOU support as a Presidential candidate? 

I don't support any of them.