Democrats clinch critical votes for Iran nuclear deal

[JustinM]

The most obvious clues are the elections of 2012 and 2014.  The Democrat Party lost majorities in state and federal congresses and lost 3 governorships.

But, we shouldn't let the results of elections determine the actions of our government, should we? After all, the President doesn't. 

Edited September 11, 2015 by JustinM

[Flames of Liberty]

I guess those Dems don't want to be re-elected.    They are more beholden to the president than the people who elected them.

This will be a non issue come election time.  The number of people who care about this is minimal at best. 

And you know this.... How?

I pay attention to what is going on around me.  Polls of election issues come out often, the Iran deal is never even a top 10 issue.  Foreign affairs is general are low compared to domestic issues, and the Iran deal is at the bottom of the pile. 

Let me ask you....two people to choose from they are in agreement in all areas but two, gay marriage and the Iran deal....

For someone who supposedly pays attention to what's going on around you, how did you manage to miss the recent Supreme Court decision that made gay marriage a moot political point?

That decision has not stopped candidates from talking about it, and I was told on this very forum that the fight was far from over.  I used that particular issue because I had spent many days discussing gay marriage with that individual. 

[Flames of Liberty]

The most obvious clues are the elections of 2012 and 2014.  The Democrat Party lost majorities in state and federal congresses and lost 3 governorships.

But, we shouldn't let the results of elections determine the actions of our government, should we? After all, the President doesn't. 

 Historically, the losing of seats in Congress by the party in power in an off year election is the expected outcome.  

How did you come to the conclusion that the electorate is against the Iran deal? 

[JustinM]

The actions of our representatives should be the obvious answer to that question.

[Flames of Liberty]

How can the actions of our representatives explain how you came to your opinion on the overall view of the electorate in regards to the Iran deal.  That makes no sense at all

[thereselittleflower]

When multiple polls by multiple organizations with very different ideologies produce the same results for months on end, it is ok to trust them.

And do you really believe the US is so weak that Iran is a threat to us?

When they have ICBM's that can reach us tipped with nukes, then yes they are.   One huge mistake people make is in underestimating their enemies. They don't need ICBMs to hit Israel.   They need ICBM's to hit us.   One thing we should have learned from the Holocaust is that when a mad man says that he intends to kill you, believe him. 

The polls right now reflect the fact that we have become a low information culture.   People can tell you everything you never wanted to know about the Kardashians, the Jersey Shore and every sports statistic out there, but don't know anything about current events, or even how our country works. 

But that should not be the barometer by which we judge the seriousness of the situation.  

 

 Though I disagree with you on the dangers of Iran,  I agree about the low information voter. That is why the Iran deal will not be an issue that affects the election, whether it should be or not.

It also explains Trump's popularity. 

Shiloh Flames is right.

just because this is important to you, doesn't mean it's important to most.

 

 

[thereselittleflower]

I don't understand how the Democrat party can be so united when they know the electorate opposes them.  Are they all really so far gone that party is to be supported at all costs?  What threats, bribes, blackmail, etc. are they using to keep them all in line?

Do you know what other parties demanded as much loyalty?  The Communist Party in Russia and the Nazi Party in Germany.

Does the electorate oppose them?

 

 

[Flames of Liberty]

I don't understand how the Democrat party can be so united when they know the electorate opposes them.  Are they all really so far gone that party is to be supported at all costs?  What threats, bribes, blackmail, etc. are they using to keep them all in line?

Do you know what other parties demanded as much loyalty?  The Communist Party in Russia and the Nazi Party in Germany.

Does the electorate oppose them?

 

 

Since both him and Shiloh357 dismiss polling,  how could they possibly know what the electorate supports and is against? 

[OldSchool2]

I guess those Dems don't want to be re-elected.    They are more beholden to the president than the people who elected them.

This will be a non issue come election time.  The number of people who care about this is minimal at best. 

And you know this.... How?

I pay attention to what is going on around me.  Polls of election issues come out often, the Iran deal is never even a top 10 issue.  Foreign affairs is general are low compared to domestic issues, and the Iran deal is at the bottom of the pile. 

Let me ask you....two people to choose from they are in agreement in all areas but two, gay marriage and the Iran deal....

For someone who supposedly pays attention to what's going on around you, how did you manage to miss the recent Supreme Court decision that made gay marriage a moot political point?

That decision has not stopped candidates from talking about it....

... but no one's running on it.

There's a world of legal difference between a ruling of the U.S. Supreme Court and an executive action by Obama.

[Flames of Liberty]

I guess those Dems don't want to be re-elected.    They are more beholden to the president than the people who elected them.

This will be a non issue come election time.  The number of people who care about this is minimal at best. 

And you know this.... How?

I pay attention to what is going on around me.  Polls of election issues come out often, the Iran deal is never even a top 10 issue.  Foreign affairs is general are low compared to domestic issues, and the Iran deal is at the bottom of the pile. 

Let me ask you....two people to choose from they are in agreement in all areas but two, gay marriage and the Iran deal....

For someone who supposedly pays attention to what's going on around you, how did you manage to miss the recent Supreme Court decision that made gay marriage a moot political point?

That decision has not stopped candidates from talking about it....

... but no one's running on it.

There's a world of legal difference between a ruling of the U.S. Supreme Court and an executive action by Obama.

 While you are bikeshedding on my choice of issues,  you are missing the point.   The point being this issue will not in reality be in the top reasons people vote for someone,  even for these folks currently talking about it.