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[Guest shiloh357]

Also Patriot, what do you consider "a few"  ?

 

Many Prisoners on Death Row are Wrongfully Convicted

The issue affects a significant number of people. Since 1973 144 death-sentenced defendants have been exonerated in the U.S. But Gross says that the analysis indicates that at least 340 people would have been put to death unjustly in that same time period. “There are no other reliable estimates of the rate of false conviction in any context,” the researchers wrote in the study, published online on April 28 inProceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

The researchers also note that a 4.1 percent rate of false conviction is conservative, 

 

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/many-prisoners-on-death-row-are-wrongfully-convicted/

 

As of April 1, 2015, there were 3,002 death row inmates in the United States. 

Total Number of Death Row Inmates as of April 1, 2015: 3,002

 

State	# of Inmates		State	# of Inmates		State	# of Inmates
California	746		Oklahoma	48		Kansas	9
Florida	401		Mississippi	48		Utah	9
Texas	271		S. Carolina	44		Washington	9
Alabama	201		Oregon	36		Virginia	8
Penn.	184		Missouri	33		U.S. Military	6
N. Carolina	157		Kentucky	34		Colorado	3
Ohio	145		Arkansas	35		South Dakota	3
Arizona	124		Delaware	17		Montana	2
Georgia	85		Indiana	14		New Mexico*	2
Louisiana	85		Connecticut**	12		Wyoming	1
Nevada	78		Nebraska	11		New Hampshire	1
Tennessee	73		Idaho	11
U.S. Gov't.	61

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/death-row-inmates-state-and-size-death-row-year

 

 

SIZE OF DEATH ROW BY YEAR - (1968 - present)

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1968	517	1982	1,050	1996	3,219	2010	3,158
1969	575	1983	1,209	1997	3,335	2011	3,082
1970	631	1984	1,405	1998	3,452	2012	3,033
1971	642	1985	1,591	1999	3,527	2013	2,979
1972	334	1986	1,781	2000	3,593	2014*	3,054
1973	134	1987	1,984	2001	3,581	2015*	3,002
1974	244	1988	2,124	2002	3,557
1975	488	1989	2,250	2003	3,374
1976	420	1990	2,356	2004	3,315
1977	423	1991	2,482	2005	3,254
1978	482	1992	2,575	2006	3,228
1979	539	1993	2,716	2007	3,215
1980	691	1994	2,890	2008	3,207
1981	856	1995	3,054	2009	3,173

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/death-row-inmates-state-and-size-death-row-year

 

 

 

A few?    With a CONSERVATIVE 4.1% false conviction rate?    

 

 

 

This year there were over 3000 on death row at the same time as of April.

 

Using the CONSERVATIVE  4.1% false conviction rate above, that gives us  123+ people on death row who are actually innocent.   

 

If they all were to executed today,  123 innocent people would be murdered.    And that's a conservative estimation.

 

 

I guess the murder by execution of 123 innocent people this year would be ok?

 

 

 

And this is just those who are on death row.  This does not include those who are in prison for life for wrongly being convicted of murder.

 

 

 

The system isn't perfect, but the death penalty is biblical and biblically mandated.  Better science will reduce the number of false convictions.     But we cannot scrap our system because we get it wrong sometimes.  Far more criminals are justly convicted than innocent people falsely convicted.

[Guest shiloh357]

[AllTheGoodNamesAreTaken]

You're right. We should blame the lion!

[other one]

You're right. We should blame the lion!

that's right, the stupid lion just shouldn't have been where he was....

 

[other one]

Patriot, you don't have to let the 3.000 out, just don't kill them....    and for the sake of the 123, yes we should just put them in prision for thier lives.     
And it really wouldn't cost any more than we spend killing them.

[thereselittleflower]

Also Patriot, what do you consider "a few"  ?

 

Many Prisoners on Death Row are Wrongfully Convicted

The issue affects a significant number of people. Since 1973 144 death-sentenced defendants have been exonerated in the U.S. But Gross says that the analysis indicates that at least 340 people would have been put to death unjustly in that same time period. “There are no other reliable estimates of the rate of false conviction in any context,” the researchers wrote in the study, published online on April 28 inProceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

The researchers also note that a 4.1 percent rate of false conviction is conservative, 

 

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/many-prisoners-on-death-row-are-wrongfully-convicted/

 

As of April 1, 2015, there were 3,002 death row inmates in the United States. 

Total Number of Death Row Inmates as of April 1, 2015: 3,002

 

State	# of Inmates		State	# of Inmates		State	# of Inmates
California	746		Oklahoma	48		Kansas	9
Florida	401		Mississippi	48		Utah	9
Texas	271		S. Carolina	44		Washington	9
Alabama	201		Oregon	36		Virginia	8
Penn.	184		Missouri	33		U.S. Military	6
N. Carolina	157		Kentucky	34		Colorado	3
Ohio	145		Arkansas	35		South Dakota	3
Arizona	124		Delaware	17		Montana	2
Georgia	85		Indiana	14		New Mexico*	2
Louisiana	85		Connecticut**	12		Wyoming	1
Nevada	78		Nebraska	11		New Hampshire	1
Tennessee	73		Idaho	11
U.S. Gov't.	61

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/death-row-inmates-state-and-size-death-row-year

 

 

SIZE OF DEATH ROW BY YEAR - (1968 - present)

---

1968	517	1982	1,050	1996	3,219	2010	3,158
1969	575	1983	1,209	1997	3,335	2011	3,082
1970	631	1984	1,405	1998	3,452	2012	3,033
1971	642	1985	1,591	1999	3,527	2013	2,979
1972	334	1986	1,781	2000	3,593	2014*	3,054
1973	134	1987	1,984	2001	3,581	2015*	3,002
1974	244	1988	2,124	2002	3,557
1975	488	1989	2,250	2003	3,374
1976	420	1990	2,356	2004	3,315
1977	423	1991	2,482	2005	3,254
1978	482	1992	2,575	2006	3,228
1979	539	1993	2,716	2007	3,215
1980	691	1994	2,890	2008	3,207
1981	856	1995	3,054	2009	3,173

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/death-row-inmates-state-and-size-death-row-year

 

 

 

A few?    With a CONSERVATIVE 4.1% false conviction rate?    

 

 

 

This year there were over 3000 on death row at the same time as of April.

 

Using the CONSERVATIVE  4.1% false conviction rate above, that gives us  123+ people on death row who are actually innocent.   

 

If they all were to executed today,  123 innocent people would be murdered.    And that's a conservative estimation.

 

 

I guess the murder by execution of 123 innocent people this year would be ok?

 

 

 

And this is just those who are on death row.  This does not include those who are in prison for life for wrongly being convicted of murder.

 

 

 

The system isn't perfect, but the death penalty is biblical and biblically mandated.  Better science will reduce the number of false convictions.     But we cannot scrap our system because we get it wrong sometimes.  Far more criminals are justly convicted than innocent people falsely convicted.

If one cannot be sure the one they are about to kill is indeed guilty, should they kill him or her?

For instance in the state of WA:

While multiple states continue to haggle over whether they can hide the way they kill people, the governor of Washington has decided to enter what he calls the “growing national conversation about capital punishment” on the other side — issuing a moratorium on all executions in the state because he is not convinced “equal justice is being served.”

In his surprise speech on Tuesday afternoon, Gov. Jay Inslee, a Democrat elected in 2012, did not commute the sentences of the nine men currently on Washington’s death row, and he made it clear that he believed in their guilt. “They get no mercy from me,” the governor said. But in fact they do, at least as long as he holds office.

“If a death penalty case comes to my desk for action, I will issue a reprieve,” Mr. Inslee said.

The governor and his staff reviewed capital punishment practices in the state over the past year and came away with a clear diagnosis: there are simply “too many doubts,” he said, about the system’s reliability. Since 1981, the majority of Washington’s death sentences have been overturned. That calls the entire system into question, the governor said, and there is “too much at stake to accept an imperfect system.”

http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/12/on-the-death-penalty-too-many-doubts/?_r=0

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest shiloh357]

Also Patriot, what do you consider "a few"  ?

 

Many Prisoners on Death Row are Wrongfully Convicted

The issue affects a significant number of people. Since 1973 144 death-sentenced defendants have been exonerated in the U.S. But Gross says that the analysis indicates that at least 340 people would have been put to death unjustly in that same time period. “There are no other reliable estimates of the rate of false conviction in any context,” the researchers wrote in the study, published online on April 28 inProceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

The researchers also note that a 4.1 percent rate of false conviction is conservative, 

 

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/many-prisoners-on-death-row-are-wrongfully-convicted/

 

As of April 1, 2015, there were 3,002 death row inmates in the United States. 

Total Number of Death Row Inmates as of April 1, 2015: 3,002

 

State	# of Inmates		State	# of Inmates		State	# of Inmates
California	746		Oklahoma	48		Kansas	9
Florida	401		Mississippi	48		Utah	9
Texas	271		S. Carolina	44		Washington	9
Alabama	201		Oregon	36		Virginia	8
Penn.	184		Missouri	33		U.S. Military	6
N. Carolina	157		Kentucky	34		Colorado	3
Ohio	145		Arkansas	35		South Dakota	3
Arizona	124		Delaware	17		Montana	2
Georgia	85		Indiana	14		New Mexico*	2
Louisiana	85		Connecticut**	12		Wyoming	1
Nevada	78		Nebraska	11		New Hampshire	1
Tennessee	73		Idaho	11
U.S. Gov't.	61

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/death-row-inmates-state-and-size-death-row-year

 

 

SIZE OF DEATH ROW BY YEAR - (1968 - present)

---

1968	517	1982	1,050	1996	3,219	2010	3,158
1969	575	1983	1,209	1997	3,335	2011	3,082
1970	631	1984	1,405	1998	3,452	2012	3,033
1971	642	1985	1,591	1999	3,527	2013	2,979
1972	334	1986	1,781	2000	3,593	2014*	3,054
1973	134	1987	1,984	2001	3,581	2015*	3,002
1974	244	1988	2,124	2002	3,557
1975	488	1989	2,250	2003	3,374
1976	420	1990	2,356	2004	3,315
1977	423	1991	2,482	2005	3,254
1978	482	1992	2,575	2006	3,228
1979	539	1993	2,716	2007	3,215
1980	691	1994	2,890	2008	3,207
1981	856	1995	3,054	2009	3,173

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/death-row-inmates-state-and-size-death-row-year

 

 

 

A few?    With a CONSERVATIVE 4.1% false conviction rate?    

 

 

 

This year there were over 3000 on death row at the same time as of April.

 

Using the CONSERVATIVE  4.1% false conviction rate above, that gives us  123+ people on death row who are actually innocent.   

 

If they all were to executed today,  123 innocent people would be murdered.    And that's a conservative estimation.

 

 

I guess the murder by execution of 123 innocent people this year would be ok?

 

 

 

And this is just those who are on death row.  This does not include those who are in prison for life for wrongly being convicted of murder.

 

 

 

The system isn't perfect, but the death penalty is biblical and biblically mandated.  Better science will reduce the number of false convictions.     But we cannot scrap our system because we get it wrong sometimes.  Far more criminals are justly convicted than innocent people falsely convicted.

If one cannot be sure the one they are about to kill is indeed guilty, should they kill him or her?

For instance in the state of WA:

While multiple states continue to haggle over whether they can hide the way they kill people, the governor of Washington has decided to enter what he calls the “growing national conversation about capital punishment” on the other side — issuing a moratorium on all executions in the state because he is not convinced “equal justice is being served.”

In his surprise speech on Tuesday afternoon, Gov. Jay Inslee, a Democrat elected in 2012, did not commute the sentences of the nine men currently on Washington’s death row, and he made it clear that he believed in their guilt. “They get no mercy from me,” the governor said. But in fact they do, at least as long as he holds office.

“If a death penalty case comes to my desk for action, I will issue a reprieve,” Mr. Inslee said.

The governor and his staff reviewed capital punishment practices in the state over the past year and came away with a clear diagnosis: there are simply “too many doubts,” he said, about the system’s reliability. Since 1981, the majority of Washington’s death sentences have been overturned. That calls the entire system into question, the governor said, and there is “too much at stake to accept an imperfect system.”

http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/12/on-the-death-penalty-too-many-doubts/?_r=0

 

 

 

 

 

As I said, when all of the evidence is weighed and guilt beyond a reasonable doubt has been established, then there is no uncertainty.   We have made incredible leaps in our ability to determine through DNA and other areas the guilt or innocence of a person.

The death penalty is good.  It is right to have the death penalty is right.   God is pro-death penalty and if you are against it, then you will have to explain to God why you feel you operate from a higher moral plain than He does.

[Guest shiloh357]