WHO IS THE BEAST OR WHAT IS THE BEAST AND WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST?

[MorningGlory]

5. There are two beast shown in Revelation 13. The beast out of the sea is the Antichrist (yet future) while the beast out of the earth is his accomplice, the False Prophet (see Rev 19:20). The Mark of the Beast (in view of modern technology) will probably be an electronic implant which integrates 666. The Antichrist can take control only when the Holy Spirit removes His restraint upon Satan, and that cannot happen as long as the Church is being added to, and remains on earth.

Ezra

The beast out of the sea is coming out of populations, peoples, which are kingdoms that have arisen.  It's the last head (kingdom) that will produce the False Prophet, for out of this last kingdom with the 10 heads will the False prophet arise.  So this beast coming out of the sea is not the false prophet, but describing the kingdom from which he will arise, the last kingdom.  That kingdom he comes out of.  That system with the 10 governing "as kings" (behind the scenes)

The beast which comes out of the earth is the False prophet, and together with the first beast they destroy.

The way you explained it is confusing, because it's sounds like there are two of them, the anti-christ which the world calls the son of perdition, and the False prophet.  It's the kingdom with 10 kings, and the false prophet.  A kingdom, and a leader (their spokesman)

I agree with you that the Mark of the Beast will be an electronic implant, the RFID chip.  But the "church" will be here when all this happens, as the "christians" will all be tested on which side they will take when they make their choice.

So lets warn our brothers and sisters to be prepared for what is coming, and not make them lax thinking everything is taken care of for them, for this will be the biggest choice we will have to make and given the opportunity to walk our talk.

 

The way Ezra described the A.C. and the False Prophet is correct.  The A.C. is called the 'Son of Perdition' because he is a man.  That description doesn't apply to a kingdom as you claim; it wouldn't make sense.  Nor are you correct that the Church will still be here; the Church has to be taken out of the world before the satan can have full reign.  Why do you discount the Rapture?

[Sister]

5. There are two beast shown in Revelation 13. The beast out of the sea is the Antichrist (yet future) while the beast out of the earth is his accomplice, the False Prophet (see Rev 19:20). The Mark of the Beast (in view of modern technology) will probably be an electronic implant which integrates 666. The Antichrist can take control only when the Holy Spirit removes His restraint upon Satan, and that cannot happen as long as the Church is being added to, and remains on earth.

Ezra

The beast out of the sea is coming out of populations, peoples, which are kingdoms that have arisen.  It's the last head (kingdom) that will produce the False Prophet, for out of this last kingdom with the 10 heads will the False prophet arise.  So this beast coming out of the sea is not the false prophet, but describing the kingdom from which he will arise, the last kingdom.  That kingdom he comes out of.  That system with the 10 governing "as kings" (behind the scenes)

The beast which comes out of the earth is the False prophet, and together with the first beast they destroy.

The way you explained it is confusing, because it's sounds like there are two of them, the anti-christ which the world calls the son of perdition, and the False prophet.  It's the kingdom with 10 kings, and the false prophet.  A kingdom, and a leader (their spokesman)

I agree with you that the Mark of the Beast will be an electronic implant, the RFID chip.  But the "church" will be here when all this happens, as the "christians" will all be tested on which side they will take when they make their choice.

So lets warn our brothers and sisters to be prepared for what is coming, and not make them lax thinking everything is taken care of for them, for this will be the biggest choice we will have to make and given the opportunity to walk our talk.

 

The way Ezra described the A.C. and the False Prophet is correct.  The A.C. is called the 'Son of Perdition' because he is a man.  That description doesn't apply to a kingdom as you claim; it wouldn't make sense.  Nor are you correct that the Church will still be here; the Church has to be taken out of the world before the satan can have full reign.  Why do you discount the Rapture?

Morning Glory

Firstly "the antichrist" is never called "the antichrist".  God calls him "the Son of Perdition" or "the false prophet"

There is no "antichrist", but there is a "spirit of antichrist"

 1 John 4:3   And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

So there is not an "antichrist" and "the false prophet".  There is one man only, not two.

The beast coming out of the sea are all the major kingdoms through God's eyes, seven of them in fact.  It's this last kingdom (last head) with the 10 horns (10 leaders) that will pave the way for "the false prophet".  Do you understand? This is the first "beast" coming out of the sea, now zone in on it's last head. It's this empire who will change laws and times. "The False Prophet" will come out of "them", for he is of them.  They are paving the way for his entrance, getting everything set up for his arrival.  These 10 kings hold the money and the power to influence the world.  They have armies and nations under their control.  They are very powerful because their power comes from the Dragon.  He is using them.

Now who gets thrown into the Lake of Fire?

 Revelation 19:20   And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
 

 

 

 

 

[Sister]

 

Nor are you correct that the Church will still be here; the Church has to be taken out of the world before the satan can have full reign.  Why do you discount the Rapture?

What church are you speaking of?  Your church?  There is only one church I know of, and that church are those who follow the Lamb in spirit and in truth.  Those who are "alive" at the coming tribulation will be spared, yes, but what I have told you in the past is that there will only be 144,000 of them.  The rest will be resurrected from "the dead" and "caught up" if still living at the 7th trumpet.  Your "rapture" only applies to the 144,000 but you and many others here refuse to see because it makes you feel threatened for some reason.  I say if you are sincere, then you have nothing to worry about except your doctrine is wrong.

 

[WilliamL]

5. There are two beasts shown in Revelation 13. The beast out of the sea is the Antichrist (yet future) while the beast out of the earth is his accomplice, the False Prophet (see Rev 19:20).

The way Ezra described the A.C. and the False Prophet is correct.  The A.C. is called the 'Son of Perdition' because he is a man.  That description doesn't apply to a kingdom as you claim; it wouldn't make sense.  Nor are you correct that the Church will still be here; the Church has to be taken out of the world before the satan can have full reign.  Why do you discount the Rapture?

There is no "the Antichrist" as commonly but mistakenly taught. There are the Beast, False Prophet, Satan, Gog, the Son of Perdition -- just to name the main ones -- who all are/will be antichrists. The term is only used in 1 John, and he told us that "the spirit of the Antichrist ... is now already [in John's day] in the world." (1 John 4:3) That leaves out any human to come in our day.

There are only two sons of perdition mentioned in the Bible: Judas, and the one in the End Times mentioned in 2 Thes. 2. The latter one will come before the return of Christ, during the time of the great apostasy of the Church (2:3-4), and be destroyed at the time of His Coming. (2:8) Whereas the Beast and False Prophet will come only after the heavenly and earthly cataclysms of the 6th Seal = Matt. 24:29, which immediately precede the appearing of Christ in the clouds of heaven to take up his Church. Therefore, neither the Beast nor the False Prophet nor Satan nor Gog can be the Son of Perdition.

The Son of Perdition, like Judas, will be the great betrayer and ultimate apostate of the faith of his people: Judas of Judaism, and the latter-day Son of Perdition of Christianity.

All of you who say the Antichrist will be this one or that one, why don't you provide the biblical evidence that says so, if you can; instead of continuing to promote this myth of Churchianity as being an established fact?

[MorningGlory]

5. There are two beasts shown in Revelation 13. The beast out of the sea is the Antichrist (yet future) while the beast out of the earth is his accomplice, the False Prophet (see Rev 19:20).

The way Ezra described the A.C. and the False Prophet is correct.  The A.C. is called the 'Son of Perdition' because he is a man.  That description doesn't apply to a kingdom as you claim; it wouldn't make sense.  Nor are you correct that the Church will still be here; the Church has to be taken out of the world before the satan can have full reign.  Why do you discount the Rapture?

There is no "the Antichrist" as commonly but mistakenly taught.

Please provide Scripture that backs up your claim.

[Montana Marv]

William

There are three;

Rev 16:13 - Then I saw three evil spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon (Satan), out of the mouth of the beast (Antichrist/him) and out of the mouth of the false prophet.  These latter two are cast alive into the Lake of Fire (Rev 19:20)

This is the unholy trinity.  (Satan/father, Antichrist/son, False Prophet/holy spirit) verses the True Holy Trinity, (God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit)

In Christ

Montana Marv

[WilliamL]

5. There are two beasts shown in Revelation 13. The beast out of the sea is the Antichrist (yet future) while the beast out of the earth is his accomplice, the False Prophet (see Rev 19:20).

The way Ezra described the A.C. and the False Prophet is correct.  The A.C. is called the 'Son of Perdition' because he is a man.  That description doesn't apply to a kingdom as you claim; it wouldn't make sense.  Nor are you correct that the Church will still be here; the Church has to be taken out of the world before the satan can have full reign.  Why do you discount the Rapture?

There is no "the Antichrist" as commonly but mistakenly taught.

Please provide Scripture that backs up your claim.

I already did in the above post; you have taken a single sentence out of its context.

Whereas you have not, in your earlier post, provided any scriptures to back up your word that the Son of Perdition is "the A.C."

[WilliamL]

There are three;

Rev 16:13 - Then I saw three evil spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon (Satan), out of the mouth of the beast (Antichrist/him) and out of the mouth of the false prophet.  These latter two are cast alive into the Lake of Fire (Rev 19:20)

This is the unholy trinity.  (Satan/father, Antichrist/son, False Prophet/holy spirit) verses the True Holy Trinity, (God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit)

As I pointed out in my earlier post, these three are all antichrists. There is no scriptural evidence to single out the Beast as being a one-and-only Antichrist. Unless you want to say that --

"the spirit of the Antichrist ... [who was] already [in John's day] in the world" (1 John 4:3)

-- was the Beast. But what substantive evidence can you provide to support this?

So, as I keep on saying to posters, if you can't provide evidence for what you teach, don't teach it. Stick to what you can provide substantive evidence for, and refrain from teaching unsubstantiated doctrines of men.

(I have, in past postings, provided substantive evidence that the Beast who ascends out of the Abyss is Azazel, the worst of the fallen angels, who intermarried with women and fathered the Nephilim.)

[Montana Marv]

There are three;

Rev 16:13 - Then I saw three evil spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon (Satan), out of the mouth of the beast (Antichrist/him) and out of the mouth of the false prophet.  These latter two are cast alive into the Lake of Fire (Rev 19:20)

This is the unholy trinity.  (Satan/father, Antichrist/son, False Prophet/holy spirit) verses the True Holy Trinity, (God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit)

As I pointed out in my earlier post, these three are all antichrists. There is no scriptural evidence to single out the Beast as being a one-and-only Antichrist. Unless you want to say that --

"the spirit of the Antichrist ... [who was] already [in John's day] in the world" (1 John 4:3)

-- was the Beast. But what substantive evidence can you provide to support this?

So, as I keep on saying to posters, if you can't provide evidence for what you teach, don't teach it. Stick to what you can provide substantive evidence for, and refrain from teaching unsubstantiated doctrines of men.

(I have, in past postings, provided substantive evidence that the Beast who ascends out of the Abyss is Azazel, the worst of the fallen angels, who intermarried with women and fathered the Nephilim.)

William

Satan also comes up out of the Abyss and goes to his destruction after the 1000 years. (just a side note)

If this Azazel (as you called him) has been in the Abyss since the Flood;  You have a major flaw in what you believe.  This eighth king, belongs to the other seven kings who were before him.  Azazel was not around to belong to the other seven kings.  (Rev 17: 8-13).  Unless; Now the question for you to answer.  Who were these seven kings before the Flood?  Now as you have suggest that Azazel is the eight king.

Yes, William: Don't teach, if what one teaches is flawed.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[WilliamL]

If this Azazel (as you called him) has been in the Abyss since the Flood;  You have a major flaw in what you believe.  This eighth king, belongs to the other seven kings who were before him.  Azazel was not around to belong to the other seven kings.  (Rev 17: 8-13).  Unless; Now the question for you to answer.  Who were these seven kings before the Flood?  Now as you have suggest that Azazel is the eight king.

 

The Bible also calls him Azazel, but apparently you don't know that.

Rev. 17:8 “The beast that you saw was, and is not [in John's time], and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is."

Nothing in Rev. 17:8-13 says the 7 kings = 7 mountains were before the Flood. Nothing says they were before the  Beast, who will be the 8th spiritual king of a world empire.

The five who fell were the spiritual authorities over the 5 world-dominating empires before Rome, who all persecuted God's people: Egypt, Assyria, Chaldean Babylon, Persia, and Greece. The "one is," in John's time, was the spiritual ruler of Rome.

Rev. 17:11, literally says, "The Beast who was, and is not [in the world, being at that time in the Abyss], is himself an eighth, and is out of/ek the seven, and goes into perdition."

That is, he comes out of the pattern of establishing a world-dominating empire established by his 7 predecessors.

You presumed too hastily that I won't provide substantive evidence for what I teach.