WHO IS THE BEAST OR WHAT IS THE BEAST AND WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST?

[Montana Marv]

William here is a quote from your last post above:

Mosaic Law and Jewish Lore about Azazel

Leviticus 16 is Mosaic Law for Yom Kippur/the Day of Atonement, the holiest day of the year in the Israelite religious calendar. In verses 8, 10, and 26, the word usually translated in English as “scapegoat” is Azazel: the passages in Hebrew literally read “to/for Azazel.” “[A]ll the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions concerning all their sins, put…on the head of the goat” sent to/for Azazel. Lev. 16:21 – see Enoch 10:12 above.

“[T]he goat designated for Azazel was given to the kohen [priest] assigned to lead it away into the wilderness. And when this kohen came to the designated ravine…he pushed the goat into the ravine.” The Rabbinical Assembly, Machzor for Rosh Hashanh and Yom Kippur, 611. This act at the ravine, which is not included in the instructions of Leviticus 16, clearly was a custom that was added to commemorate Azazel’s being cast into the Abyss at the time of the flood.

 

Again you are not following what Scripture says.  There are two goats.  The goats are cast by lot to determine their fate.  One goes to the Lord, the one which is to be sacrificed as a sin offering.  The other goat is the scapegoat, Which all the sins of the nation are put on it and which is used for making atonement by sending it alive into the desert. Lev 16:22.  Christ is the only one who can make atonement for sin.  Both of these are but a foreshadow of what Christ will do.  Azazel has nothing to do with this process.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[WilliamL]

4 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

5 hours ago, WilliamL said:

More in your long line of claims without material support. More in your long line of ignoring my questions of you, and misrepresenting what I say. What I have long said is that the King of the Abyss is the same spirit as the Beast who ascends out of the Abyss, the Beast of Rev. 11, 13, 17, and 19. Nowhere do I "suggest" the King of the Abyss is the False Prophet:

When the Abyss is reopened at the 5th Trumpet (Rev. 9:2), the fallen angels are released. They have "a king over them, the angel of the Abyss" (9:11). Who can this be but Azazel? When he ascends, he becomes the Beast of Rev. 11, 13, 17, 19, "who will ascend out of the Abyss and go to perdition [the lake of fire: "be cast into the fire"]." Rev. 17:8 Satan gives him all the worldly power developed by of all the beast-kingdoms who ruled over the earth after the Flood.

The 5th Trumpet is opened most likely about 12 to 16 months before Armageddon.  This leader who comes up out of  the Abyss is Satan (for he has free reign; he is unlocked, he can to go into heaven, he can also go into the Abyss to rally his troops)

Again, complete lack of any substantive support for these statements.

Enoch 53:5-6 …the host of Azazel…became ministers of Satan, and seduced those who dwell upon earth.

Those who come up out of the Abyss torment people for 5 months, they do not seduce people.

False on two counts. 1) Rev. 17:8 tells us that the Beast "will ascend out of the Abyss"; and the other passages in Rev. about him say that he will do a lot more that torment and seduce. 2) This passage refers to the time of Enoch, before the Flood: "seduced" -- past tense -- refers in context to that time. Once again you have taken a passage out of its context.

Rev. 13:2 The Dragon [will give] him [the Beast] his power, his throne, and great authority.

He gives the revamped Roman Empire these things, not Azazel. 

The Beast is not an empire: he is a spirit that rules over an empire. A fundamental difference that you fail to comprehend.

Empires don't ascend out of the Abyss, spirits do: a fundamental difference that you fail to comprehend.

Empires are not cast into the lake of fire, spirits are: a fundamental difference that you fail to comprehend.

 

 

[WilliamL]

3 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

William here is a quote from your last post above:

Mosaic Law and Jewish Lore about Azazel

Leviticus 16 is Mosaic Law for Yom Kippur/the Day of Atonement, the holiest day of the year in the Israelite religious calendar. In verses 8, 10, and 26, the word usually translated in English as “scapegoat” is Azazel: the passages in Hebrew literally read “to/for Azazel.” “[A]ll the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions concerning all their sins, put…on the head of the goat” sent to/for Azazel. Lev. 16:21 – see Enoch 10:12 above.

“[T]he goat designated for Azazel was given to the kohen [priest] assigned to lead it away into the wilderness. And when this kohen came to the designated ravine…he pushed the goat into the ravine.” The Rabbinical Assembly, Machzor for Rosh Hashanh and Yom Kippur, 611. This act at the ravine, which is not included in the instructions of Leviticus 16, clearly was a custom that was added to commemorate Azazel’s being cast into the Abyss at the time of the flood.

 

Again you are not following what Scripture says.  There are two goats.  The goats are cast by lot to determine their fate.  One goes to the Lord, the one which is to be sacrificed as a sin offering.  The other goat is the scapegoat, Which all the sins of the nation are put on it and which is used for making atonement by sending it alive into the desert. Lev 16:22.  Christ is the only one who can make atonement for sin.  Both of these are but a foreshadow of what Christ will do.  Azazel has nothing to do with this process.

Like so many people who do not study the Word in the original languages, you elevate an English translation above the literal meaning of the Hebrew original. There is no "the scapegoat" in the Hebrew text, because there is no h-, the definite article in Hebrew, before the name Azazel. Azazel is a name of a spirit; it is not a goat. The goat upon which the sins are laid is sent lah-ahzawzale: "to Azazel." But the Whore of Babylon and her daughters has suppressed this Hebraic knowledge, along with bucket-loads of other Hebraic teachings, in order to separate followers of Christ from their Hebraic roots.

"But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant." 1 Cor. 14:38

[Montana Marv]

10 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

Like so many people who do not study the Word in the original languages, you elevate an English translation above the literal meaning of the Hebrew original. There is no "the scapegoat" in the Hebrew text, because there is no h-, the definite article in Hebrew, before the name Azazel. Azazel is a name of a spirit; it is not a goat. The goat upon which the sins are laid is sent lah-ahzawzale: "to Azazel." But the Whore of Babylon and her daughters has suppressed this Hebraic knowledge, along with bucket-loads of other Hebraic teachings, in order to separate followers of Christ from their Hebraic roots.

"But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant." 1 Cor. 14:38

William

Your interpretation of Lev 16 is not what Scripture implies.  Jewish Folklore is not Scripture, whatever you may say.

There is no Azazel in the original Scripture.  Do you see it anywhere in Leviticus.  Why do you try to translate Scripture into English?  You are not a Scholar are you.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[WilliamL]

2 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

Your interpretation of Lev 16 is not what Scripture implies.  Jewish Folklore is not Scripture, whatever you may say.

There is no Azazel in the original Scripture.  Do you see it anywhere in Leviticus.  Why do you try to translate Scripture into English?  You are not a Scholar are you.

Yes, I am, having studied the Bible since 1962, and deeply focused on biblical prophecy since 1973. And Azazel is in the original scripture, look it up.

Jewish Publication Society Hebrew-English Tanakh, 2000 Lev. 16:8 and he shall place lots upon the two goats, one marked for the LORD and the other marked for Azazel.

	and Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats, one lot for the LORD and the other lot for Aza'zel. Revised Standard Version © 1947, 1952.
	And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for Jehovah, and the other lot for Azazel. American Standard Version 1901 Info
	And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats: one lot for Jehovah, and the other lot for Azazel. J.N.Darby Translation 1890 Info

[other one]

2 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

William

Your interpretation of Lev 16 is not what Scripture implies.  Jewish Folklore is not Scripture, whatever you may say.

There is no Azazel in the original Scripture.  Do you see it anywhere in Leviticus.  Why do you try to translate Scripture into English?  You are not a Scholar are you.

In Christ

Montana Marv

depends on whether or not it's translated as a proper name or an adjective of a goat.

 

same word in verse 26 when translated as scapegoat doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Lev 16:26

26 And he that let go the goat for the scapegoat shall wash his clothes, and bathe his flesh in water, and afterward come into the camp.
KJV

goats don't have clothes.....

[Montana Marv]

2 hours ago, other one said:

depends on whether or not it's translated as a proper name or an adjective of a goat.

 

same word in verse 26 when translated as scapegoat doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Lev 16:26

26 And he that let go the goat for the scapegoat shall wash his clothes, and bathe his flesh in water, and afterward come into the camp.
KJV

goats don't have clothes.....

Other One

But the caretaker of the scapegoat, the one who releases it must properly cleanse himself.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[other one]

that does make sense.....    

[Montana Marv]

William

Another book of Enoch quote of yours:

Enoch 87:5; 10:15, 9 [God's archangels]cast them [the rebellious fallen angels] into the cavities of the earth. …“Bind them for 70 generations underneath the earth, even to the day of judgment…and in the great day of judgment let [them] be cast into the fire.”

How can this be.  There have been 65 generations from Shem to Joseph the husband of Mary. (Marys genealogy in Luke 3).  Then another 2000 years for 7 more generations.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[WilliamL]

70 years/generation x 70 generations = 4900 years.

But it is clear that you've made up your mind, and will continue to be confused with the facts.

Having studied out anew Heb. 9 and Lev. 16 this Sabbath afternoon, here is something I came up with. The goat of sacrifice, whose blood is shed for atonement (which type is fulfilled in Jesus's shed blood), worked to cleanse those who repent/ed, in order to bring them back into the Presence of the Holy One:

Lev. 16:15 ...the sin offering ... 16 shall make an atonement for the holy [place], because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins...

The goat sent to Azazel had an entirely different purpose:

Lev. 16:21 And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel...putting them upon the head of the goat. 22 And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited...

In short, Jesus's blood atones for the consequences of our sins, which is to be cut off from God. That atonement comes because of our repentance, which means the change of our hearts' intent to commit sin. But the effects of our past sins still remains in the record of time, which is why the High Priest had to put them on the head of the goat sent to Azazel. If the blood of sacrifice for sin expunged sins, rather than just atoned for them, the second goat wouldn't have been needed, either in type or in fulfillment.

"The angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day." Jude 6 These angels were responsible for teaching the sons of Adam to commit great sins, far beyond what Adam's descendants ever conceived of themselves, putting those angels under a type of condemnation Jesus later described:

"And whosoever shall offend one of [these] little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea."

The consequence of sin is to be cut off from God. The lake of fire is the ultimate place of removal from God. Those whose intent to sin has changed due to repentance are brought back into the Presence of God, and all the consequences of their sins are placed upon Azazel and those who follow in his ways:

Enoch 10:12 “All the earth has been corrupted by the effects of the teaching of Azazel. To him therefore ascribe the whole crime.”

This is what the type shown in Leviticus is telling us, for those who have ears to hear.