BobRyan Posted June 7, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 711 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 266 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/12/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 7, 2017 1 hour ago, enoob57 said: That is exactly my point.... and Being Christ our Holiness why go back to the law for anything? Go "back to the law" without Christ? or "Law written in the heart - under the New Covenant" which is in fact a benefit of the Gospel itself? Which are you talking about? Romans 8:4-9 the lost are at war with the Law of God they "do not submit to the LAW of God neither indeed CAN they" -- and then Paul contrasts this with the saved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolem Posted June 7, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 433 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 225 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/25/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/24/1990 Share Posted June 7, 2017 2 hours ago, inchrist said: I dont know why you're laughing....No where did I declare that we are saved by the Law. We are saved by faith first, then sanctified by the law. Hence Pauls rhetorical question What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey--whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? So either you can be a slave to sin by continually disobeying Gods commandments or you you can be obedient to Gods commandments that leads to righteousness. If disobeying Gods commandments is sin....then the opposite is obeying Gods commandments which leads to righteousness. And doing things that the bible makes very clear how God feels about unclean meats is not living righteous. Unclean meats are not classified as food anywhere in scripture. And that includes eating the blood of an animal. for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof ...you either eating the meat of the animal which is perfectly ok ........or you can eat the life of an animal which is grotesque on so many levels. Keeping no law makes you righteous at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobRyan Posted June 7, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 711 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 266 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/12/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 7, 2017 In Romans 8:4-9 Paul reminds us that the lost "do not submit to the Law of God - neither indeed can they" rather they are hostile towards God - by contrast those same verses have the saints in harmony with God's Law by the work of the Holy Spirit. Rom 8 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. 10 If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted June 7, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,191 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted June 7, 2017 2 hours ago, BobRyan said: Go "back to the law" without Christ? or "Law written in the heart - under the New Covenant" which is in fact a benefit of the Gospel itself? Which are you talking about? Romans 8:4-9 the lost are at war with the Law of God they "do not submit to the LAW of God neither indeed CAN they" -- and then Paul contrasts this with the saved. The Law that is now written on the heart of course ... the written law was fulfilled by The Lord and brought a Righteous and Just God to be able to redeem us into a new being that now has God living within us and there He writes upon our heart the Things of God's Righteous standards.... it is a law of liberty or this could not be true Rom 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobRyan Posted June 7, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 711 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 266 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/12/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, enoob57 said: The Law that is now written on the heart of course ... the written law was fulfilled by The Lord and brought a Righteous and Just God to be able to redeem us into a new being that now has God living within us and there He writes upon our heart the Things of God's Righteous standards.... it is a law of liberty or this could not be true Rom 14 Jesus fulfilled the LAW - for example He did not take God's name in vain. But He did not do that so that Christians would start taking God's name in vain. Jeremiah 31:31-33 tells us that in the NEW Covenant the Law of God is "written on the heart and mind" instead of abolished-and-deleted. James 2 says "So act as those who are to be JUDGED by the Law of Liberty" and for examples of what is in that Law - James 2 quotes the OT And then there is Romans 8 Rom 8 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. 10 If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. Because even in the NT - "sin IS transgression of the Law" 1 John 3:4 And Paul makes the case for the 5th commandment this way -- Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. 2 Honor your father and mother (which is the first commandment with a promise), 3 so that it may be well with you, and that you may live long on the earth. "First Commandment" in what unit of LAW? -- the Ten Commandments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted June 7, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,191 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted June 7, 2017 9 minutes ago, BobRyan said: Jesus fulfilled the LAW - for example He did not take God's name in vain. But He did not do that so that Christians would start taking God's name in vain. Jeremiah 31:31-33 tells us that in the NEW Covenant the Law of God is "written on the heart and mind" instead of abolished-and-deleted. James 2 says "So act as those who are to be JUDGED by the Law of Liberty" and for examples of what is in that Law - James 2 quotes the OT And then there is Romans 8 Rom 8 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. 10 If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. Because even in the NT - "sin IS transgression of the Law" 1 John 3:4 And Paul makes the case for the 5th commandment this way -- Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. 2 Honor your father and mother (which is the first commandment with a promise), 3 so that it may be well with you, and that you may live long on the earth. "First Commandment" in what unit of LAW? -- the Ten Commandments. all this is away from the direction of this thread ... we are no longer under law dietary or otherwise! I can not understand why people would return to that which cannot be kept by mankind in their own power... unless you are claiming you keep 10 commandments perfectly; I know there are people out there that claim this but it is an attempt to make God a liar and that ain't happening 1 John 1:8 (KJV) [8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. [9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. [10] If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted June 8, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted June 8, 2017 2 hours ago, enoob57 said: all this is away from the direction of this thread .. Really ? Who said that anyone who willingly chooses to follow Jesus DOES as He Does ? Who said likewise that they will purify themselves as He(Jesus) is Pure ? Who said likewise that those few who are chosen are a Temple , not to be sullied, violated, tainted by sin ? Why does the devil love it when people of the world violate the Temple, serve other gods, and practice idolatry, witchcraft, and remain sons of disobedience ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobRyan Posted June 8, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 711 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 266 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/12/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 8, 2017 8 hours ago, Absolem said: in real life people are hurting. They need Jesus. Who cares about bats. In real life - God wrote Leviticus 11 - not me. You have free will - you can ignore as much of scripture as you wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobRyan Posted June 8, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 711 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 266 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/12/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 8, 2017 4 hours ago, enoob57 said: all this is away from the direction of this thread ... we are no longer under law dietary or otherwise! I can not understand why people would return to that which cannot be kept by mankind in their own power. As we saw in the post you quoted - the lost do not submit to God's Law -- "neither indeed can they" by contrast under the NEW Covenant - the "LAW is written on our hearts" Rom 8 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. 10 If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brakelite Posted June 8, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 977 Content Per Day: 0.21 Reputation: 641 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/15/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted June 8, 2017 There are going to be consequences to those who today have no self control in diet, or have no recognition of God's will and purpose in clearly stipulating what is good or not good for our bodies. We are living in the last days. I would strongly suggest that if one can be so deceived into believing he/she can eat anything (even though nowhere in scripture is it designated 'food'), without suffering any physical consequences, these are in even more danger of eating any 'spiritual food' without discernment and suffering eternal repercussions as a result. Physical weakness as a result of poor choices in diet affects our spiritual strength also, and last-day pressures in the spiritual realm demand we keep ourselves as physically well tuned as we can. Ignoring the Manufacturer's instructions is simply suicidal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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