other one Posted December 26, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 597 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,117 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,851 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 26, 2015 On 12/16/2015 at 2:56 AM, Kan said: Does anybody out there want to tell what the issue is between God and Satan, and why this battle is waged on earth involving the human race? Because we are to judge the angels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kan Posted December 26, 2015 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,661 Content Per Day: 0.49 Reputation: 1,292 Days Won: 2 Joined: 12/21/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 26, 2015 11 hours ago, simplejeff said: Yahweh and those to whom Yahweh reveals it. That's about all. ((exactly as Yahshua , Yochanan the immerser, and the Apostles said)). i.e. no amount of study , nothing of the flesh, no false gospel or religion helps even one little jot. God revealed it to people like the apostles, and of course the prophets of the OT. Paul was sent by God to preach the mystery of God. The Bible has it all, but the readers have not seen it. Just like Israel had no idea that the Messiah was born in a manger in Bethlehem. When the glory of God was revealed in the flesh, it could only have been His character, and not His Divine being. The word became flesh. He did not inhabit it, or imitate it, but became us - "Emmanuel" - God (truly) with us. This mystery is to be finished soon. What is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kan Posted December 26, 2015 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,661 Content Per Day: 0.49 Reputation: 1,292 Days Won: 2 Joined: 12/21/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 26, 2015 11 hours ago, thereselittleflower said: Kan - consider who Jesus is. Consider what God has done in the person of Jesus. God has joined forever Divinity with humanity in the person of Jesus who is also God the Son, the 2nd Person of the Trinity for all eternity. Think about that for a moment. Think of all the implications of this truth. Think of what it means that we are His brethren - we are the brethren of the God-man. We are co-heirs with the God-man. We are co-heirs with the 2nd Person of the Trinity who was made flesh. Now consider that when Adam and Eve were created, that God's plans for mankind would not have been completely unknown to Lucifer. Now consider that Lucifer knew God intended to elevate mankind higher than the angels. Now consider that Lucifer wanted to be like the Most High, but it would not be the angels who would be closest to God but mankind. Consider how Lucifer would react to God's plans. He wanted to be like the Most High. But instead of being able to be like the Most High, that place was reserved for someone else - many someone else's. That place was reserved to fragile mortal beings, made of flesh and bone, which someone such as Lucifer would conceive is inferior in every way. And now his success at getting Adam and Eve to rebel has resulted in humanity and Divinity being united completely and fully and forever in the person of Jesus, 2nd Person of the Trinity and everything that implies for believers. Does this start to answer your question? All of this post is wisdom from God. You could not have said it unless the Spirit of God is within you, and I accept it completely, even though it is beyond my understanding. It certainly is the answer. Now that we know that Jesus has combined Divinity and humanity, how is Christ to be represented in the same way, within humanity in the last days, to fulfill this mystery? See Rev 10. Jesus prayed that His followers might be one with Him, as He was one with the Father. And how do the two mysteries, of good and evil, make a final move within humanity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kan Posted December 26, 2015 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,661 Content Per Day: 0.49 Reputation: 1,292 Days Won: 2 Joined: 12/21/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 26, 2015 11 hours ago, other one said: Because we are to judge the angels Why does God need our judgement on angels? Or if not, how does it help humanity now, and then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kan Posted December 26, 2015 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,661 Content Per Day: 0.49 Reputation: 1,292 Days Won: 2 Joined: 12/21/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 26, 2015 12 hours ago, simplejeff said: Why ever would it be focused on humanity ? ((evil, pernicious, blind, naked, corrupt, anti-Christ, anti-Truth humanity)) The enemy of God has been making claims against the rule of God, seeking to set forth the human race and its history as an example of the inability of man to be obedient to Christ. God on the other hand has promised that the mystery of the character of God will be revealed in humanity, by a union between man and the Son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted December 27, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 597 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,117 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,851 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 27, 2015 11 hours ago, Kan said: Why does God need our judgement on angels? Or if not, how does it help humanity now, and then? I haven't a clue. Paul is the one who said it, so you'd have to ask him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kan Posted December 27, 2015 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,661 Content Per Day: 0.49 Reputation: 1,292 Days Won: 2 Joined: 12/21/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 27, 2015 49 minutes ago, other one said: I haven't a clue. Paul is the one who said it, so you'd have to ask him. True. Paul basically says that, the gospel has made us better able to judge issues between ourselves, and that at least we should try and settle disputes at home (church), rather than making a big deal about it to the state. (Corinthians ?) Going back to why this first came into the topic, you were saying that this life experience prepares us to be fair judges, even in the future life to judge angels. And we can say this is a benefit of staying on earth. At the moment, I can't see how this should be a reason for the delay in ending the conflict between good and evil on earth, but it could be related - as all things usually are. Edit, add: having said that, it has to be part of God's plan to complete the mission of having a spiritually mature nation to represent Him to end the conflict. Seeing that Satan's claims have been that man cannot be loyal to God. And if the saints will judge the angels, they must have to be aware of what issues were in question with them, in their first estate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kan Posted December 31, 2015 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,661 Content Per Day: 0.49 Reputation: 1,292 Days Won: 2 Joined: 12/21/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 31, 2015 One main reason why the battle between good and evil has gone on for so long, is because Love does not involve force. And by force we mean the obvious, as well as any manipulation, secrecy, deception, lying, coercion, etc, anything which is not pure. Purity is openness, acceptance, honesty, courtesy, meekness etc.. And it is intrinsically non combative. It does not seek to defend itself, or raise itself up against another. The opposite of love is combativeness or competitiveness, and herein lies the basic cause of evil. And we all know "There is no competition in love." If Satan is the aggressor, how will the battle be settled if God does not use force, or does He? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted December 31, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.69 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted December 31, 2015 On 12/27/2015 at 6:16 PM, other one said: I haven't a clue. Paul is the one who said it, so you'd have to ask him. It means we will be above the angels. One if the definitions/use of the word judge in 1 Cor 6:3 is to rule, govern to preside over with the power of giving judicial decisions, because it was the prerogative of kings and rulers to pass judgment: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kan Posted January 2, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,661 Content Per Day: 0.49 Reputation: 1,292 Days Won: 2 Joined: 12/21/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 2, 2016 Does anyone out there know the crux of the matter in the battle between good and evil? What is happening? Why is the human race involved in this? What outcomes does the human race have, and what is God's will for us today that we may enter into safety with Him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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