Old Covenant vs New Covenant

[thereselittleflower]

16 minutes ago, SINNERSAVED said:

thereseflower, you are trying to confuse the people  and to twist what I was saying, you are trying to nickel and dime, to make a point against me, for exposing you, now since you have made a effort to try to destroy my view, lets go back to what you have not been able to do ,

I asked you a few simple yes and no questions about what you do when you go to your catholic church , and you have side step and avoided me , for it will expose the truth and so you are staying far away from it , and do not want any to know , that you are trying to destroy and deceive all that people are saying is Good,

so why are you doing this, I would like to atleast know , how you go after every thread ,and I mean every thread to get it stirred up,and put your comment in and its not even biblical, I think you want confusion, and I will not let the truth  be spoiled by false teaching, you can try to put it on me , but we can all see something is not right with your agenda,  ?so what is it that you are trying to do ? so I can understand ?

If you believe I misunderstand you, then why not simply clarify rather than continue to make me the subject of your posts and taking threads off topic?

The scriptures tell us to assume the best in people not the worst, so why accuse someone of malintent instead of assume they simply misunderstood?

If I misunderstood you, please act charitably and clarify.

 

    

6 minutes ago, SINNERSAVED said:

     thereseflower, if you would have read all that I already posted you would see how this topic was placed as a follow up , so you might want to go and see what is being expressed and examined, and what is scriptural , for I don't see why you are saying I am not telling the truth , if it be personal  let it go ? this is about learning in debt Gods word, you have thrown the topic off course, for why I don't know , but I see its been going on for awhile, and no one will be able to learn if it is taken of its tracks  again, and again,

 

I am not the one who has made things personal.  I have asked you privately, and now I am asking you publicly, to stop making me the subject of your posts.  

Thank you brother

 

[Qnts2]

30 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

Exactly.

• Romans 11 ¹⁶ If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches.

  ¹⁷ But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root^[b] of the olive tree, ¹⁸ do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you.¹⁹ Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.”²⁰ That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. ²¹ For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. ²² Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.²³ And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. ²⁴ For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.

 

• John 15 4"Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. 5"I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. 6"If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned

 

Jesus is the firstfruits.

Jesus is the root.

Jesus is the vine.

Jews, ie Israel, are branches.

These branches were broken off.

Gentiles were grafted in -  not into Israel but into the the tree itself -  not into branches but into the tree itself.

When Jews believe in Christ, they are grafted back into the tree itsefl.

The Tree that supports them as it supports gentile believers is Christ Himself, not Israel.

This is why there is now no more Jew or Gentile, but One New Man IN Christ.

Your only error is that there are still Jews and Gentiles, just as there is still men and women. The Jews are the natural branches, many of which are cut off, but still natural branches. The Gentiles are wild branches, even though they are grafted into the tree with some natural Israel branches, Gentiles remain wild branches. Throughout the NT, Paul still call himself a Jew, a child of Israel, and an apostle to the Gentiles. Jews don't cease to be Jews and Gentiles do not cease to be Gentiles. However, they both become a part of the One New Man equally, unlike the Mosaic covenant where the Gentiles were not equal members.

[SINNERSAVED]

6 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

If you believe I misunderstand you, then why not simply clarify rather than continue to make me the subject of your posts and taking threads off topic?

The scriptures tell us to assume the best in people not the worst, so why accuse someone of malintent instead of assume they simply misunderstood?

If I misunderstood you, please act charitably and clarify.

 

    

 

I am not the one who has made things personal.  I have asked you privately, and now I am asking you publicly, to stop making me the subject of your posts.  

Thank you brother

 

I am not making this personal at all, and publically I don't think you are following as the responses and comments where made , so I am just saying to go back and read from the beginning and you will see how we came to this statement of the gentiles and the jews,

thank you sister ..

[thereselittleflower]

Just now, SINNERSAVED said:

I am not making this personal at all, and publically I don't think you are following as the responses and comments where made , so I am just saying to go back and read from the beginning and you will see how we came to this statement of the gentiles and the jews,

thank you sister ..

Quite honestly the way you post makes it difficult to understand what you say sometimes.   

Try clarifying it here for me.

[thereselittleflower]

4 minutes ago, Qnts2 said:

Your only error is that there are still Jews and Gentiles, just as there is still men and women. The Jews are the natural branches, many of which are cut off, but still natural branches. The Gentiles are wild branches, even though they are grafted into the tree with some natural Israel branches, Gentiles remain wild branches. Throughout the NT, Paul still call himself a Jew, a child of Israel, and an apostle to the Gentiles. Jews don't cease to be Jews and Gentiles do not cease to be Gentiles. However, they both become a part of the One New Man equally, unlike the Mosaic covenant where the Gentiles were not equal members.

Naturally speaking there are Jews and gentiles, just as there are male and female.    Naturally speaking we don't stop being what we are by nature.

But spiritually speaking there are no longer Jew or gentile, male or female. 

 

[Qnts2]

6 hours ago, Shar said:

If these are all gone, why is G-d referring to them and their practice in His earthly kingdom, when He sets up His earthly reign upon His return?  Why does He require that all representatives of each Gentile nation come to the festival of Succoth (Festival of Tabernacles) in Jerusalem?  And if they do not, that nation does not receive rain for 1 full year (Zech. 14:16-21).   Hmmmm, seems like they are not gone and those Gentiles better show up.

The festival of Succoth is not yet fulfilled meaning, Jesus has not done all that He will do, with additional fulfillments to occur when He returns and reigns. What that means is that Gentiles today, will not travel to Jerusalem for Succoth. I also believe those required to go are not every Gentile but rather the rulers/leaders of the Gentile nations.  This will not occur until the millenium reign of Jesus.

Zechariah 14:¹⁶ Then it will come about that any who are left of all the nations that went against Jerusalem will go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Booths. ¹⁷ And it will be that whichever of the families of the earth does not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, there will be no rain on them. ¹⁸ If the family of Egypt does not go up or enter, then no rain will fall on them; it will be the plague with which the Lord smites the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Booths.

[Qnts2]

2 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

Naturally speaking there are Jews and gentiles, just as there are male and female.    Naturally speaking we don't stop being what we are by nature.

But spiritually speaking there are no longer Jew or gentile, male or female. 

 

I assume that a Priest is a spiritual position, so spiritually speaking, men or women can be Priests.

[thereselittleflower]

2 minutes ago, Qnts2 said:

I assume that a Priest is a spiritual position, so spiritually speaking, men or women can be Priests.

This would be conflating two concepts that can't be connected in the manner you're trying to connect them.

To say we are no longer Jew or Gentile, male or female  we are not speaking about spiritual positions.   These are not "positions."    To say we are not Jew or Gentile means there is no division between us - we are One New Man.  That is not the same as speaking of the body and its many parts and the function of those parts and who occupies those parts.

    

 

[Qnts2]

1 hour ago, SINNERSAVED said:

that is  a great response, and since you have brought this up about the gentiles, let me add, my view to this, you are correct that we as Gentiles was pulled into the fold in acts  10, now , lets have the jews be jews , and converted Gentiles that have accepted Jesus as there savior, saved sinners and gentiles,

for all have fallen short , and God came to save what was lost, and to bring in the Gentiles into the fold we all agree and so the God of the jews is also our God, there is only one God and now we as Gentiles not of jewish or passdown blood line , but in spirit and truth we are all one family , the body, we all are now a part of the body of Christ jESUS , NOW IN THE MEDICAL field if a body part was not a match to the person receiving from a donor, that if it does not match it will not last and die, and so , we need to be inline , jew and Gentile in one blood line of spiritual bonding of the blood of Christ shed on the cross, ,

so now with this as we are all brothers and sisters in the same blood that saves us , and we are now one people  one body , under one God, we as Gentiles are not able to become jews , but we are able to try to follow as close as possible to be in respect and honor to God by all that we have and all that we are , and by this we follow in action and in tradition of Gods words and instruction, so we would want to follow the commandments , and follow the teachings of Jesus  and do the things in rememberance of the sacrifice on the cross, when the jews were told stay away from the unclean , why would we not also try to do the same ? this is all that I have tried to say, for we want to put forth our best , to be pleasing in the sight of the lord , amen..

 now this is not us gentiles trying to go under moses and side step jesus and all the finish work m,done on the cross, but we want to do as much and everything to reflect Jesus and everything He would do or tell us we should by every means, and so , with that said, there is no one here today ,or yesterday , or tomorrow that can tell me I have violated any law of moses or the grace of Christ Jesus , for I am with in all of the law and grace at the same time, not creating anything new under the sun , but abiding in Christ , as a follower and believer , and a called out one to separate my self from the non believer, and today ,is a very good example, for other then someone saying they are a believer and have not done anything to show the fruits of the spirit , and the filled spirit  light of the word, we seem to all be the same,

in the futre we will be separated by the choices for sure for when that day comes when you need to make  a decision to follow or be let go from a job , or you cannot get food unless you have a mark , or killed just for believing , this is when we will really have no choice but to prove to your self ,the world and God whos side you are really on so I believe with this dietary law , it gives me insight , and power of the spirit to develop my plan that I need to be in compliance with the holy spirit and the word of God , for this is a stepping stone of the much larger stones to be stepping up on, we need to have a mind set on God not of our selves and not about what people will say or act  against what you believe,

 if we are believers we are , not to be ashamed of the gospel , for if we cannot try to adjust our lives to this or anything , I believe God calls us to, then we will not have built up the strength to endure until the end , he who endures until the end will be saved, not the one that says I am saved and does nothing for there is no faith to do any works, and god forbid this , that we do not obey and be one with HiM ?

A question, if a Gentile, made by God to be a Gentile for His purposes, begins to act like a Jew, does that honor God? 

[SINNERSAVED]

that's a great question sister, and I respect that question,  NO, I am not saying a gentile has to become  a jew,  or act like one, but to follow everything God has appointed to the people  of His calling , that is all, and to try to fulfill abiding in Gods word ,and instruction alone , is what I am talking about, for we know what God expects of His people , and we should try to do all that we can, to try to be pleasing and following in the ways of the lord, I had mentioned earlier, let the jew be a jew ,and the gentile a gentile, but let us as brothers and sisters be one in the lord,  not forsaking any thing that God called unclean or anything God called clean to be included in our walk and in our obedience to him, for moses walked and taught of the laws of God to the people , we came in after in the new  and so we are just trying to show respect to one another and to be in humble fellowship , and one accord,

I hope I was able to clear that up  my sister in the lord,  blessings