completedbeliever1 Posted January 20, 2016 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 3 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 181 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 184 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/06/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/15/1975 Author Share Posted January 20, 2016 19 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said: Then let's use Jesus' own words: Matthew 13: The Parable of the Sower 1: On the same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the sea. 2 And great multitudes were gathered together to Him, so that He got into a boat and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore. 3 Then He spoke many things to them in parables, saying: Behold, a sower went out to sow. 4 And as he sowed, some seedfell by the wayside; and the birds came and devoured them. 5 Some fell on stony places, where they did not have much earth; and they immediately sprang up because they had no depth of earth. 6 But when the sun was up they were scorched, and because they had no root they withered away. 7 And some fell among thorns, and the thorns sprang up and choked them. 8 But others fell on good ground and yielded a crop: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. 9 He who has ears to hear, let him hear!The Parable of the Sower Explained 18 Therefore hear the parable of the sower: 19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it,then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside.20 But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles. 22 Now he who received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful. 23 But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. Luke gives us even more detail: Luk 8:5 A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it.Luk 8:6 And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.Luk 8:7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it.Luk 8:8 And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. And then, Jesus' explanation of the parable: Luk 8:11 ¶Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.Luk 8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.Luk 8:13 They on the rock [are they], which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.Luk 8:14 And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of [this] life, and bring no fruit to perfection.Luk 8:15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep [it], and bring forth fruit with patience. We see in verse 13 they: received the word - to receive favourably, give ear to, embrace, make one's own, approve, not to reject - with JOY believed for a while - to trust in Jesus or God as able to aid either in obtaining or in doing something: saving faith then fell away - to fall away, become faithless So their belief was genuine, a saving faith, their joy was real, they quickly and easily and truly received the truths of the Christian faith and embraced them - yet they fell away, became faithless.People turn back because it is hard regardless of what makes it hard. Obviously, choices are not so easy as you make out. Becoming overconfident is a precarious place to be. Excuses. If you hve faith, you can do ALL things. This includes OVERCOMING the temptation to turn back. Reread Luke 8:15. As believers we need to stop making excuses when it comes to following the words of the Bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
completedbeliever1 Posted January 20, 2016 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 3 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 181 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 184 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/06/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/15/1975 Author Share Posted January 20, 2016 4 hours ago, thereselittleflower said: If you can't tell us when it was added or how or by who, then on what basis do you make this unfounded claim? Its only "unfounded" because you didnt study it. I cant say "when" because I dont have a time machine. I can say "how". Someone added it. I cant say "who" because I will need that time machine. But the proof is Eusebius. He quoted Matthew 28:19 as ..." go forth...and baptize them in my name." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted January 20, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.69 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted January 20, 2016 1 minute ago, completedbeliever1 said: Its only "unfounded" because you didnt study it. I cant say "when" because I dont have a time machine. I can say "how". Someone added it. I cant say "who" because I will need that time machine. But the proof is Eusebius. He quoted Matthew 28:19 as ..." go forth...and baptize them in my name." That's not proof. And I have studied early Church history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
completedbeliever1 Posted January 20, 2016 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 3 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 181 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 184 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/06/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/15/1975 Author Share Posted January 20, 2016 1 minute ago, thereselittleflower said: That's not proof. And I have studied early Church history. It is proof. Just proof you wont accept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted January 20, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.69 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted January 20, 2016 Just now, completedbeliever1 said: It is proof. Just proof you wont accept. No, proof is something explicit. It is suggestive, nothing more. You have no conclusive proof, just something that suggests something happened. That does not rise to the level of "proof." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
completedbeliever1 Posted January 20, 2016 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 3 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 181 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 184 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/06/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/15/1975 Author Share Posted January 20, 2016 3 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said: That's not proof. And I have studied early Church history. It is proof. Just proof you wont accept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted January 20, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.69 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted January 20, 2016 3 minutes ago, completedbeliever1 said: It is proof. Just proof you wont accept. Did you intend to repeat yourself or is that a glitch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
completedbeliever1 Posted January 20, 2016 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 3 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 181 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 184 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/06/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/15/1975 Author Share Posted January 20, 2016 Just now, thereselittleflower said: No, proof is something explicit. It is suggestive, nothing more. You have no conclusive proof, just something that suggests something happened. That does not rise to the level of "proof." Whatever you say. But know this. NO PROOF exists for the trinity. None. Not one unadded scripture. Trinity teaching is a false teaching, based off a lie perpetrated by early believers who deny only Yashua name baptism. Those who follow this belief are in error, and need to repent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted January 20, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.69 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted January 20, 2016 Just now, completedbeliever1 said: Whatever you say. But know this. NO PROOF exists for the trinity. None. Not one unadded scripture. Trinity teaching is a false teaching, based off a lie perpetrated by early believers who deny only Yashua name baptism. Those who follow this belief are in error, and need to repent. So you completely reject the Trinity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 20, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 20, 2016 13 hours ago, completedbeliever1 said: That portion of scripture was added later to bring in trinitarian thinking. The baptismal formula is found in the book of Acts, and that is the correct way to baptise. In the NAME of Yashua. There is overwhelming evidence that it didnt exist until long after the apostles had died. And your proof is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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