thereselittleflower Posted February 5, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.69 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 5, 2016 18 minutes ago, MorningGlory said: That is true. And it's a good policy to have. They are not necessarily bad people, if they hold to false doctrines, but there is a danger of that false teaching spreading to those who think it's mainstream. God's Word is not malleable, it can't be revised. And when they deliberately and purposefully hide who and what they are, it raises all sorts of red flags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted February 5, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.10 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted February 5, 2016 1 minute ago, thereselittleflower said: And when they deliberately and purposefully hide who and what they are, it raises all sorts of red flags. Indeed it does. I believe that most who come with an agenda to push their unscriptural beliefs will not state their real beliefs because they know that Bible believing Christians will recognize what's happening and reject it. Again, not speaking of Rapture beliefs or things like that. But if one rejects the Trinity, the very core of our faith.........sirens need to be screaming and red lights flashing. That is very serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
completedbeliever1 Posted February 5, 2016 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 3 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 181 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 184 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/06/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/15/1975 Share Posted February 5, 2016 41 minutes ago, Ezra said: It is my understanding that on most Christian forums (including Worthy) anyone who rejects the fundamental Christian doctrines (including that of the Trinity), or promotes false doctrines, cannot be allowed to post where Christians discuss Scripture. Christadelphians are definitely opposed to fundamental Bible doctrines and are regarded as a cult. This is the reason why I believe what I do. I am not a follower of "mainstream" christianity because it has serious flaws. One serious flaw is the trinity. There is something wrong when a preacher is kicked out of a place because he does not conform to the "norm". I equate myself to the prophets of old. As I have told people for a long time...just because it is a rule, it does not mean it is right. The trinity is a lie. And folks, we need to really understand where it came from. Do you celebrate Easter? Do you hide eggs for the children to find? Stop. But why? Because it is a pagan fertility ritual, after the "goddess" Ishtar. Do you believe in the trinity? Do you say that there are three in one? Stop. But why? Because it was introduced by those who were trying to get all people in all lands to get along, and stop war. We need to really do some serious research to understand why we believe what we do, (for me, I do not need to worry about that anymore). Lets reason together... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted February 5, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.34 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 5, 2016 2 minutes ago, completedbeliever1 said: The trinity is a lie. And folks, we need to really understand where it came from. If you believe that the Trinity is a lie, you have no business posting on Worthy. I am sure there are many heterodox and/or heretical forums on which you would be most welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
completedbeliever1 Posted February 5, 2016 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 3 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 181 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 184 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/06/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/15/1975 Share Posted February 5, 2016 3 minutes ago, Ezra said: If you believe that the Trinity is a lie, you have no business posting on Worthy. I am sure there are many heterodox and/or heretical forums on which you would be most welcome. And further, I am dispelling lies, so I should be most welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Teditis Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 You don't articulate your position very well though.... the triune nature of God is throughout the Bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAZARD Posted February 5, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 320 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 6,830 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3,570 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/16/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted February 5, 2016 Fundamental Christianity generally teaches that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, the Trinity are one, that is, united, in one body. The word Trinity is not mentioned once in Scripture in the entire Bible. The word Godhead is mentioned three times in; (Acts 17:29; Rom. 1:20; Col. 2:9). The term Godhead simply means that which is divine. It is used of Jesus Himself in (Col. 2:9-10), "For in Him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily," "And ye are complete IN HIM which is the head of all principality and power." (Jesus overcame all principalities and powers by His death and resurrection). We are complete in Him only in unity as He, the Father, and the Holy Ghost are one in unity and not bodily. The word Trinity means the union of the three persons in the Godhead, each who IS called God and Lord in various Scriptures throughout the Bible, and who are "Self-existent" and "Eternal." In Psalm 110:1; Matt. 22:44; Zech. 2:10-11 we have the Father and the Son both called "Lord," and when we read Ex. 16:7 with Heb. 3:7-8 and Isa. 6:8-9 with Acts 28:25 and Ex. 17:7 with Heb. 3:7-9, and Jer. 31:31-34 with Heb. 10:15-16 these Scriptures prove that the Holy Spirit is also called "Lord." The Holy Spirit is distinctly called God in Acts 5:3-4. Here Peter here askes Ananias, why he kept back part of the price . . . why Ananias let Satan fill his heart to lie to the Holy Ghost . . . and Peter goes on to say Ananias had not lied to men but to God." God the Father, God the Son, AND God the Holy Ghost, in one (unified) Godhead or divinity, so that all three persons are one in unity and eternal substance, but three separate and distinct persons as to indivuality. Three separate and distinct persons are spoken of in (1 John 5:7). Jesus Himself declared and taught us to go forth and baptize in the name of the Father AND of the Son AND of the Holy Ghost (Matt. 28:19). Scriptures such as "one Lord" (Deut 6:4) and "one God" (Mal. 2:10) means unitied, or united in one. Similarly, the scriptures "They shall be one flesh" (Gen. 2:24); "the people are one" (Gen. 11:6), do not mean all the people are one in body. In the beginning God revealed the Godhead as consisting of more than one person. In Gen. 2:26 "And God said, LET US make man in OUR IMAGE, after OUR LIKENESS." Also in Gen. 3:22 He plainly said, "The man is become AS ONE OF US." The phrase "as one of" means "like each person of several persons of the same kind," as proved wherever the statement "as one of" is found in Scripture (Gen. 19:14; 42:27; 49:16; Ex. 12:48; Lev. 19:34; 24:22; Num. 12:12; 2 Sam. 13:13; 14:13; Job 12:4; ect., no person uses such a phrase and not refer to more than one person who could make "us." If God refers to the Godhead as "us" we should take it that He knows what He is talking about and that there are more than one person in the Godhead. In John 1:1 we have the statement, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." The Word became flesh and dwelt among us in John 1:14. We know the Word God took upon Himself a flesh and bone body and became Jesus. We must ask ourselves which God was the Word with in the beginning in John 1:1? He was with the Father for in (1 Cor. 3:23; 11:3) Paul said that "Christ was God's and God was "the head of Christ." Jesus dwelt amongst us whilst the Father remained in Heaven. Acts 2:33-39 referes to three separate persons of the deity: It is said of Jesus [one person], "Therefore being BY THE RIGHT HAND of God exalted and having RECIEVED OF THE FATHER [another person] the promise OF THE HOLY GHOST [a third person] He hath shed forth THIS [the Holy Ghost] which ye now SEE and HEAR." Thus TWO persons, Jesus in His flesh and bone body, and the Father who is spirit, stayed in Heaven sitting side by side, and the Holy Ghost (a third person) came from the two in Heaven to take the place of Jesus among men. If God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost are "one God" in one body, all the Scriptures mentioned above are lies, and if they are lies then the whole Bible cannot be believed. The fact that Jesus took upon Himself a flesh and bone body and that He was resurrected and STILL HAS His flesh and bone body and sits at the Fathers right hand in Heaven in it, (Mark 16:19; Luke 22:69), is proved by His statement to His disciples; "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have" (Luke 24:39); and to Thomas Jesus said; "Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing" (John 20:27). And Thomas answered and said unto Him, My Lord AND my God" (John 21:28). How could Jesus, a self confessed flesh and bones being, be sitting at the Fathers right hand [the Father being spirit] in Heaven and be "one" in body with the Father? Jesus Himself said above, "Spirit doth not have flesh and bone as ye see me have." If Jesus and the Father are "one" in body, then the Father must be flesh and bone, or Jesus must be spirit, and this would be a lie. Jesus will have His flesh and bone body for all eternity (Zech. 13:6). And what was Jesus saying and asking the Father when He prayed to the Father this prayer; "And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, THAT THEY MAY BE ONE, AS WE ARE" (John 17:11). And, "That they MAY BE ONE; as thou, Father art IN ME, and I IN THEE, that they MAY BE ONE IN US: that the world may believe that thou has sent me" (John 17:21). "And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; THAT THEY MAY BE ONE, even AS WE ARE ONE: I in them, and thou IN ME, that they may be made perfect IN ONE; and that the world may know etc., (John 17:22-23). "And I have declared unto them thy name, and I will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, AND I IN THEM" (John 17:26). Jesus prayed to the Father to keep His disciples and all His followers "one in unity" as He and the Father were. He never asked the Father to allow all the followers and disciples all to get inside one of them and form "one body" as fundamental Christianity wrongly teaches Jesus and the Father are. Jesus upbraided the disciples not for their misunderstanding, but for their unbelief (Mark 16:13-14), and he will upbraid us as well if we do not believe who He, the Father, and the Holy Spirit are. They are one in unity not body as these plain simple Scriptures state. Jesus said; "And the Father Himself, [one person] which hath sent me [another person, hath born WITNESS OF ME. Ye have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His shape (JOhn 5:37). How can this Scripture be true if they are "ONE" as fundamental Christianity teaches? Jesus instructs us to "Search the Scriptures; for in the ye THINK ye have eternal life: and they which testify of me" (John 5:39). How can we pray to a God if we do not know who He is? Jesus said, "Ask me nothing. Verily verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father IN MY NAME, He will give it you"(John 16:23). The Father never refuses Jesus anything, so when we ask the Father in the Name of Jesus, to the Father its like Jesus asking the Father Himself. They are two separate individual self existant beings, sitting beside each other in Heaven. This is as clear and as simple to believe as any other doctrin in the Bible. Our plain common sense tells us that one person cannot sit beside himself, and God would not expect us to believe He sits beside Himself in two types of bodies, constantly transforming Himself at will, asking Himself questions and invoking prayers in His Jesus Name, and then answering them to His Jesus self as the Father. To believe this theory of Satan, which is continued by men is plain madness. A God who could not make Himself clear, or had to be interpreted and be declared a mystery is no God at all. Let us believe, like sensible men, that God can make Himself understood. He will hold men responsible for what He says, not for what men interpret His words to say. He has a right to judge men in the end if they constantly make Him false in all that He says, if they listen to satanic theories. "He that rejecteth me, and recieveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day" (John 12:48; Rev. 20:11-15). This should be enough for men to quit the foolishness of changing God's Word to mean anything they want it to mean? It is the height of ignorance for anyone to claim to know God better than He has revealed Himself to be. The Trinity consists of three divine beings each with their own separate body, soul, and Spirit as over 500 Scriptures prove. To deny this and believe that God is three persons in one body is to believe the theories of men which cannot be supported Scripturally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted February 5, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.69 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 5, 2016 12 minutes ago, HAZARD said: Fundamental Christianity generally teaches that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, the Trinity are one, that is, united, in one body. No. That is NOT what fundamental Christianity teaches. There is NOTHING about a "body" in the Trinitarian teaching of Christainity. Quote The Trinity consists of three divine beings each with their own separate body, soul, and Spirit No. That is NOT what the Trinity is. The Trinity is not 3 divine beings. That is POLYTHEISM - MULTIPLE Gods. This is actually heresy. The Trinity is ONE DIVINE BEING - 3 DIVINE PERSONS. A mystery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAZARD Posted February 5, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 320 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 6,830 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3,570 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/16/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted February 5, 2016 33 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said: No. That is NOT what fundamental Christianity teaches. There is NOTHING about a "body" in the Trinitarian teaching of Christainity. No. That is NOT what the Trinity is. The Trinity is not 3 divine beings. That is POLYTHEISM - MULTIPLE Gods. This is actually heresy. The Trinity is ONE DIVINE BEING - 3 DIVINE PERSONS. A mystery. Another heresy hunter are you? There is nothing mysterious about this at all. What was Jesus saying and asking the Father when He prayed to the Father this prayer? Was He asking the father to jam all Jesus's disciples into one body as you seem to believe Jesus and the Father are? "And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, THAT THEY MAY BE ONE, AS WE ARE" (John 17:11). And, "That they MAY BE ONE; as thou, Father art IN ME, and I IN THEE, that they MAY BE ONE IN US: that the world may believe that thou has sent me" (John 17:21). "And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; THAT THEY MAY BE ONE, even AS WE ARE ONE: I in them, and thou IN ME, that they may be made perfect IN ONE; and that the world may know etc., (John 17:22-23). "And I have declared unto them thy name, and I will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, AND I IN THEM" (John 17:26). Jesus prayed to the Father to keep His disciples and all His followers "one in unity" as He and the Father were. He never asked the Father to allow all the followers and disciples all to get inside one of them and form "one body" as fundamental Christianity wrongly teaches Jesus and the Father are. The Word became flesh so He could die for us. As God He could not die as a man He could. The father remained in Heaven the whole time Jesus was on the Earth. It was the Father in Heaven who raised Jesus from the dead. Both the Father and Jesus, 2 beings, sent the Holy Spirit another being to the Earth when Jesus went to Heaven. That's three separate divine being who are nothing more than "one" I unity. They are not omnibody? To all heresy hunters; Acts 24:14, "But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Thallasa Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 On 20/01/2016 at 9:17 AM, gdemoss said: God is God. There is none other beside God. Jesus came out of God. The Holy Spirit came out of God. The two afore mentioned are representatives that declare the Father without err. The only thing that matters is God. The need to define the triunity of God in the past has done a lot of damage in me due to the inherant nature of my flesh to through the pride of life. It hasn't much of anything to do with preaching the good news to the poor so that they too may have a relationship with God the Father through Jesus his only begotton son. Just as was said in the OP when John admitted that the topic normally brings about debate and strife, it doesn't really edify but rather divides brethren. How does it help the whore to stop whoring? Or keep the drunkard sober? Does it somehow aid the theif to stop stealing? How does it minister to the hearts of the broken? In my ministry work I take inventory of the persons condition. Many do not know if God exists much less whether God had any children. They are separated from God entirely. Many more believe in God but have a vast many questions about God. All of which pertain to the morality of God. Never the trinity. Then there are those who believe in God and in the Son but have an impotent Jesus who is truly not Lord of Lords and King of Kings. Jesus does not really help them with anything. He will only be there supposedly at the judgment to wave them in after they die. I teach those I minister to that they need God. God begins working in their hearts preparing them for the day he will reveal his Son unto them. None can know that Jesus is the Christ except God reveal this to them. But I minister and they grow. When the time is right God reveals more unto them. I watch as whores, drug addicts, drunkards, theives and liars lives are restored by bringing them to God. They eventually call upon Him by name, Jehovah is Salvation, or Jesus which is the same. Is a working knowledge of the trinity really what we need to spend our time doing? Haven't we enough people unsaved and dying who need our ministering? We were warned to push away from the table and get out into the field because the harvest is ripe yet more and more are dying everyday not having known God, nor His Son or tasted the love, joy and peace of the Spirit of eternal life. If we are not careful we become those who love long robes and attention over restored lost people. Thankyou for this post . May it be taken seriously by many . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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