fulfilled feasts

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11 minutes ago, Reinitin said:

11 minutes ago, Reinitin said:

I can see Our Lord completely fulfilled the spring feasts. He will fulfill the fall feasts at his second coming. I am not Messianic but it seems very obvious to me. The Lord has not given us our last chance to repent before the judgment of God so the Yom kippur isn't fulfilled yet. 

I can see Our Lord completely fulfilled the spring feasts. He will fulfill the fall feasts at his second coming. I am not Messianic but it seems very obvious to me. The Lord has not given us our last chance to repent before the judgment of God so the Yom kippur isn't fulfilled yet. 

His sacrifice is eternal? Every Generation of men and nations has had the chance to accept it until the resurrection from the dead. I do not know why people think he will die again? There is no need. His atonement is available anytime until the end of time.

The apostles to the Jews knew they had been given their last chance to repent. For John's baptism was concerning repentance and the Escape of the coming wrath.

Edited February 8, 2016 by Joline

[thereselittleflower]

20 minutes ago, Reinitin said:

I can see Our Lord completely fulfilled the spring feasts. He will fulfill the fall feasts at his second coming. I am not Messianic but it seems very obvious to me. The Lord has not given us our last chance to repent before the judgment of God so the Yom kippur isn't fulfilled yet. 

Yom Kippur i about the High Priest going into the Holy of Holies with the blood of the sacrifice for the sins of himself and the people.

Jesus has already done that.

Yom Kippur is fulfilled.

[Shar]

1 hour ago, Joline said:

In first century Judaism you had various Jewish "understandings". since 70 ad the only Jewish understanding that survived is of one sect which is the sect of the Pharisees. John the Baptist had gained many disciples, and these disciples were those which followed Christ. None were of the sect of the Pharisees. not only that, but God had to open their minds to understand scripture. Paul was given direct revelation concerning what he taught concerning Gentiles. So I would definitely disagree with you on this one.

Jesus was from the Pharisee Sect of Judaism.  The Pharisees had certain beliefs that were contrary to the Sadducees, Zealots, Essenes, etc.  This was why there was a lot of division on the Sanhedrin, particularly between the Pharisees and the Sadducees.

The Pharisees believed in resurrection, life after death, angels, Hell, grooming disciples to eat, believe and act like their Master, etc.  Pharisees had the tradition of giving the blessing before a meal.  In addition, they gave a blessing after the meal as God commanded.  This is what Jesus believed and even stated to "keep the traditions of the Pharisees" Mt. 23:2, but he warned for them not to be hypocritical in their keeping of them, as some of the Pharisees did.

We have believed that the Pharisees were bad and Christ abhorred them, but whenever He rebuked them if was because He was speaking "in the family" language.  He had a right to rebuke them in order to turn them back to doing and thinking right.  There were several sects of Pharisees and they were not all needing rebuking. 

I don't know how accurate your history is, and I don't see evidence that all of John's disciples were not of the Pharisees, but maybe there was a reason the Pharisee Sect survived.

[thereselittleflower]

23 minutes ago, Shar said:

Our Savior has entered the Holy of Holies and He is our Great High Priest.  These verses do not take away from Yom Kippur.  This has yet to happen for the nation of Israel.  They have not received the atoning sacrifice yet.  They will when they believe on their Messiah when they see Him.  Read Zec. 12 and 13.  ON THAT DAY, is repeated throughout.  Including taking away their sins in ONE DAY.

Just like you and I accepted Christ, it happened to us at the time we accepted Him, on that particular day, even though He died and paid the penalty over 2000 years ago.  We did not personally receive the atoning sacrifice until we believed in the Messiah.  

He entered the Holy of Holies once for all and for all time.  He does not have to enter again.  He is the Great High Priest that makes intercession for us in the Heavenly Temple.  These Hebrews references do not affect Yom Kippur, in the future for Israel, when Christ returns.

Shar He is not going to enter the Holy of Holies a second time for the Nation of Israel.

He entered the Holy of Holies ONCE AND FOR ALL, for the LAST time, FINALLY.

Last means Last.

 

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20 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

And there is nothing to tie their repentance to this particular day on the calendar.   Some are mistakenly using a belief that Yom Kippur has yet to be fulfilled to tie their repentance to that date.

But since Yom Kippur has been fulfilled as we see Paul telling us in Hebrews 9, then this idea that National Israel will repent all at once on this particular day because it is claimed by some it is yet unfulfilled is an erroneous claim.    The primary assumption is Yom Kippur has not been fulfilled.  If it is fulfilled, the rest of the argument falls to pieces.   

Yom Kippur has clearly been fulfilled already.  So without this foundational claim that it is yet to be fulfilled being true, the rest of the argument fails and then the claim National Israel will turn to Jesus on Yom Kippur fails.

And Willa,  if they repent, it necessarily includes repentance from sin.  So I'm sorry but, I see no scriptural support for your claim that their repentance has nothing to do with sin.

It was Israel's great sin to crucify their God.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Simply because the rulers did not accept it yet, is no reason to deny his atonement as taught in the book of Hebrews. Not all were saved in their lack of faith in God in fulfilling the promises to Abraham, when he brought them out of Egypt.

Ro 3:3  For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
 

 

[thereselittleflower]

5 minutes ago, Shar said:

Jesus was from the Pharisee Sect of Judaism.  

I would like to see that proven.  This seems to be conjecture.

 

[Shar]

22 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

And there is nothing to tie their repentance to this particular day on the calendar.   Some are mistakenly using a belief that Yom Kippur has yet to be fulfilled to tie their repentance to that date.

But since Yom Kippur has been fulfilled as we see Paul telling us in Hebrews 9, then this idea that National Israel will repent all at once on this particular day because it is claimed by some it is yet unfulfilled is an erroneous claim.    The primary assumption is Yom Kippur has not been fulfilled.  If it is fulfilled, the rest of the argument falls to pieces.   

Yom Kippur has clearly been fulfilled already.  So without this foundational claim that it is yet to be fulfilled being true, the rest of the argument fails and then the claim National Israel will turn to Jesus on Yom Kippur fails.

And Willa,  if they repent, it necessarily includes repentance from sin.  So I'm sorry but, I see no scriptural support for your claim that their repentance has nothing to do with sin.

It was Israel's great sin to crucify their God.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Zec explains their sins and the impurities God will remove from them and their land.....ON THAT DAY

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5 minutes ago, Shar said:

Jesus was from the Pharisee Sect of Judaism.  The Pharisees had certain beliefs that were contrary to the Sadducees, Zealots, Essenes, etc.  This was why there was a lot of division on the Sanhedrin, particularly between the Pharisees and the Sadducees.

The Pharisees believed in resurrection, life after death, angels, Hell, grooming disciples to eat, believe and act like their Master, etc.  Pharisees had the tradition of giving the blessing before a meal.  In addition, they gave a blessing after the meal as God commanded.  This is what Jesus believed and even stated to "keep the traditions of the Pharisees" Mt. 23:2, but he warned for them not to be hypocritical in their keeping of them, as some of the Pharisees did.

We have believed that the Pharisees were bad and Christ abhorred them, but whenever He rebuked them if was because He was speaking "in the family" language.  He had a right to rebuke them in order to turn them back to doing and thinking right.  There were several sects of Pharisees and they were not all needing rebuking. 

I don't know how accurate your history is, and I don't see evidence that all of John's disciples were not of the Pharisees, but maybe there was a reason the Pharisee Sect survived.

Jesus was not a Pharisee? Whatever gave you that notion?

John the Baptist prepared HIS WAY. John was no Pharisee. Christs disciples were from Johns baptism. They were distinct sect. The gospel was to be preached beginning with John's baptism. They continued to administer John's baptism as Christs disciples. They would neither be baptized of John, nor would they listen to him.

[thereselittleflower]

1 minute ago, Shar said:

Zec explains their sins and the impurities God will remove from them and their land.....ON THAT DAY

That doesn't mean Christ enters the Holy of Holies again to offer His blood a second time.

And it doesn't mean Yom Kippur is not fulfilled.

And it doesn't mean "ON THAT DAY" is Yom Kippur.

 

 

[Shar]

2 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

I would like to see that proven.  This seems to be conjecture.

 

Read what they believed.  The other sects did not practice or believe as the Pharisees did.  The Pharisees believed in Hell, angels, life after death, resurrection, grooming disciples, prayer before meals, etc.  The other sects did not.  Why would Jesus ever say "learn the traditions of the Pharisees, if he were of some other Sect?  Remember, He was not born, raised, died or resurrected as a Gentile.  He was a Jew and he learned Judaism and practiced it completely.