fulfilled feasts

[Qnts2]

25 minutes ago, Joline said:

What do you mean in the Mosaic law, for some of the feasts people stayed at home? Where are you getting that people which stayed home were still keeping a feast?

20  When the LORD thy God shall enlarge thy border, as he hath promised thee, and thou shalt say, I will eat flesh, because thy soul longeth to eat flesh; thou mayest eat flesh, whatsoever thy soul lusteth after.
21  If the place which the LORD thy God hath chosen to put his name there be too far from thee, then thou shalt kill of thy herd and of thy flock, which the LORD hath given thee, as I have commanded thee, and thou shalt eat in thy gates whatsoever thy soul lusteth after.
22  Even as the roebuck and the hart is eaten, so thou shalt eat them: the unclean and the clean shall eat of them alike.
23  Only be sure that thou eat not the blood: for the blood is the life; and thou mayest not eat the life with the flesh.
24  Thou shalt not eat it; thou shalt pour it upon the earth as water.

25  Thou shalt not eat it; that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee, when thou shalt do that which is right in the sight of the LORD.
26  Only thy holy things which thou hast, and thy vows, thou shalt take, and go unto the place which the LORD shall choose:
27  And thou shalt offer thy burnt offerings, the flesh and the blood, upon the altar of the LORD thy God: and the blood of thy sacrifices shall be poured out upon the altar of the LORD thy God, and thou shalt eat the flesh.

As for Daniel and the exiles, they refrained from partaking in eating and drinking things offered in idolatry. Which things the above verse speaks of as well.

When I speak of minimizing the priesthood, I am speaking of their authority of government given by the law. 

 

 

Refraining from eating things offered to idols is a part of the Mosaic dietary law. Also, eating vegetables and fruit is permitted in the dietary law (outside of Israel where there are no restrictions based on the age of the tree).

Since there are only three Holy days when people are required to travel to, others Holy days do not have that requirement.

The three where the people were to go to Jerusalem are Passover, Shavuot (Pentecost), and Succoth (feast of tabernacles).

Those Holy days where people were not required to go to Jerusalem are Weekly Sabbath, Yom Teruah, and Yom Kippur.

[Qnts2]

While there is a lot of focus on Yom Kippur and the sacrifice made by the High Priest, the sacrifice was for the nation of Israel but what is being ignored is the rest of the Yom Kippur law.

Lev 23:27 Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord.

²⁸ And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the Lord your God.

²⁹ For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.

³⁰ And whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people.

³¹ Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

³² It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.

The people were to cease from all work, fast and afflict their souls. If a person did not afflict their soul, they were to be cut off from among the people, and if a person does any work, they were to die.

For a fulfillment into the NT, every person who becomes a member of the New Nation, must cease from their own work and afflict their souls (repent). So, Yom Kippur is not fulfilled until every person who will be saved is saved. Jesus sacrifice is complete, but not everyone is saved yet. 

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10 minutes ago, Qnts2 said:

While there is a lot of focus on Yom Kippur and the sacrifice made by the High Priest, the sacrifice was for the nation of Israel but what is being ignored is the rest of the Yom Kippur law.

Lev 23:27 Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord.

²⁸ And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the Lord your God.

²⁹ For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.

³⁰ And whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people.

³¹ Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

³² It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.

The people were to cease from all work, fast and afflict their souls. If a person did not afflict their soul, they were to be cut off from among the people, and if a person does any work, they were to die.

For a fulfillment into the NT, every person who becomes a member of the New Nation, must cease from their own work and afflict their souls (repent). So, Yom Kippur is not fulfilled until every person who will be saved is saved. Jesus sacrifice is complete, but not everyone is saved yet. 

59 minutes ago, Qnts2 said:

One more comment.

The Messiahs priesthood does not directly fit in the Mosaic law since the Messiahs linage is not the priestly linage. The Messiahs linage, thru David, is the line of the King, not the priests

What makes Jesus priesthood is that it is a New Covenant, not the Mosaic covenant, with a new priesthood. In the pointers from the High Holidays, nothing points to the Priesthood in the OT.

There is one set of Mosaic laws which point to the Priesthood of Jesus as a shadow. When a person accidently murders another person, the family of the deceased chooses an avenger, to avenge their lost relatives death. The person who accidently committed the murder had to run to a city of refuge where the avenger was not allowed to kill the murderer, as long as the murderer remained in the city of refuge. If the murderer stepped outside of the city of refuge, the avenger was free to avenge the murder. So, the murderer was essentially trapped within the city of refuge, unable to return home, or go to Jerusalem for any of the Holy Days. There is one very strange statement connected with this law. When the High Priest died, the murderer was then free to leave the city of refuge, and the avenger could no longer seek them to avenge the death of the person who was murdered. When the High Priest died, the person inprisoned in the city of refuge was then made free. I believe that set of laws clearly points to Jesus as the High Priest who dies to set the captives free. 

Numbers 35:

¹¹ Then ye shall appoint you cities to be cities of refuge for you; that the slayer may flee thither, which killeth any person at unawares.

¹² And they shall be unto you cities for refuge from the avenger; that the manslayer die not, until he stand before the congregation in judgment.

¹³ And of these cities which ye shall give six cities shall ye have for refuge.

¹⁴ Ye shall give three cities on this side Jordan, and three cities shall ye give in the land of Canaan, which shall be cities of refuge.

¹⁵ These six cities shall be a refuge, both for the children of Israel, and for the stranger, and for the sojourner among them: that every one that killeth any person unawares may flee thither.

¹⁶ And if he smite him with an instrument of iron, so that he die, he is a murderer: the murderer shall surely be put to death.

¹⁷ And if he smite him with throwing a stone, wherewith he may die, and he die, he is a murderer: the murderer shall surely be put to death.

¹⁸ Or if he smite him with an hand weapon of wood, wherewith he may die, and he die, he is a murderer: the murderer shall surely be put to death.

¹⁹ The revenger of blood himself shall slay the murderer: when he meeteth him, he shall slay him.

²⁰ But if he thrust him of hatred, or hurl at him by laying of wait, that he die;

²¹ Or in enmity smite him with his hand, that he die: he that smote him shall surely be put to death; for he is a murderer: the revenger of blood shall slay the murderer, when he meeteth him.

²² But if he thrust him suddenly without enmity, or have cast upon him any thing without laying of wait,

²³ Or with any stone, wherewith a man may die, seeing him not, and cast it upon him, that he die, and was not his enemy, neither sought his harm:

²⁴ Then the congregation shall judge between the slayer and the revenger of blood according to these judgments:

²⁵ And the congregation shall deliver the slayer out of the hand of the revenger of blood, and the congregation shall restore him to the city of his refuge, whither he was fled: and he shall abide in it unto the death of the high priest, which was anointed with the holy oil.

²⁶ But if the slayer shall at any time come without the border of the city of his refuge, whither he was fled;

²⁷ And the revenger of blood find him without the borders of the city of his refuge, and the revenger of blood kill the slayer; he shall not be guilty of blood:

²⁸ Because he should have remained in the city of his refuge until the death of the high priest: but after the death of the high priest the slayer shall return into the land of his possession.

First of all Hebrews as well as the law tells us the priesthood and tabernacle are a pattern and shadow of the heavenly things. David's throne is by a distinct covenant, not the law of Moses.  The Davidic promises and his throne are not additions of the Sinai covenant.  Again I believe we see God, making promises to men of faith, in agreement with the Abrahamic promises. This is what I believe the Rabbinic mindset overlooks.

Take for instance Passover, and it's feast of unleavened bread.

This is a sacrifice and feast to memorialize and celebrate the fulfillment of God's faithfulness to keep the promises made to their Father Abraham. the Passover Sacrifice itself was provided for under the covenant made over 400 years earlier. As well as Pentecost, the weeks of the harvest. These are all things which point to the faithfulness of God to their father Abraham. Everything to do with inheriting the land, bringing God's Judgement upon certain nations belongs to the Abrahamic covenant.

1Ki 8:53  For thou didst separate them from among all the people of the earth, to be thine inheritance, as thou spakest by the hand of Moses thy servant, when thou broughtest our fathers out of Egypt, O Lord GOD.
54 And it was so, that when Solomon had made an end of praying all this prayer and supplication unto the LORD, he arose from before the altar of the LORD, from kneeling on his knees with his hands spread up to heaven.
55  And he stood, and blessed all the congregation of Israel with a loud voice, saying,
56  Blessed be the LORD, that hath given rest unto his people Israel, according to all that he promised: there hath not failed one word of all his good promise, which he promised by the hand of Moses his servant.

Ro 3:3  For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

The covenant made with Abraham in Gen 15. In the blood of animals.

Concerned bringing the fourth Generation into the land, bringing judgment upon distinct nations.

Ge 15:16  But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

Ge 15:18  In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

The law was given to deal with faithlessness...................
Ex 32:10  Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.
 

Christ like Moses came to fulfill all the promises made to Abraham. Which concerns ALL Nations

Ge 17:4  As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.
Passover in Christ is still concerning the fulfillment of the promises made to Abraham.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Qnts2 said:

While there is a lot of focus on Yom Kippur and the sacrifice made by the High Priest, the sacrifice was for the nation of Israel but what is being ignored is the rest of the Yom Kippur law.

Lev 23:27 Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord.

²⁸ And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the Lord your God.

²⁹ For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.

³⁰ And whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people.

³¹ Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

³² It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.

The people were to cease from all work, fast and afflict their souls. If a person did not afflict their soul, they were to be cut off from among the people, and if a person does any work, they were to die.

For a fulfillment into the NT, every person who becomes a member of the New Nation, must cease from their own work and afflict their souls (repent). So, Yom Kippur is not fulfilled until every person who will be saved is saved. Jesus sacrifice is complete, but not everyone is saved yet. 

A member of the new nation? What is that? The Abrahamic promise is to be made a father of Many nations.

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1 hour ago, Qnts2 said:

Refraining from eating things offered to idols is a part of the Mosaic dietary law. Also, eating vegetables and fruit is permitted in the dietary law (outside of Israel where there are no restrictions based on the age of the tree).

Since there are only three Holy days when people are required to travel to, others Holy days do not have that requirement.

The three where the people were to go to Jerusalem are Passover, Shavuot (Pentecost), and Succoth (feast of tabernacles).

Those Holy days where people were not required to go to Jerusalem are Weekly Sabbath, Yom Teruah, and Yom Kippur.

Those Holy days where people were not required to go to Jerusalem are Weekly Sabbath, Yom Teruah, and Yom Kippur.

These holy days did not happen apart from the priesthood. That was my point. They were feasts because the priesthood appeared with sacrifices for each one of these days. Otherwise they were not kept.

Le 23:4  These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
Le 23:37  These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:

Lev 17:2  Speak unto Aaron, and unto his sons, and unto all the children of Israel, and say unto them; This is the thing which the LORD hath commanded, saying,
3  What man soever there be of the house of Israel, that killeth an ox, or lamb, or goat, in the camp, or that killeth it out of the camp,
4  And bringeth it not unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, to offer an offering unto the LORD before the tabernacle of the LORD; blood shall be imputed unto that man; he hath shed blood; and that man shall be cut off from among his people:
5  To the end that the children of Israel may bring their sacrifices, which they offer in the open field, even that they may bring them unto the LORD, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, unto the priest, and offer them for peace offerings unto the LORD.
6  And the priest shall sprinkle the blood upon the altar of the LORD at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and burn the fat for a sweet savour unto the LORD.
7  And they shall no more offer their sacrifices unto devils, after whom they have gone a whoring. This shall be a statute for ever unto them throughout their generations.
8  And thou shalt say unto them, Whatsoever man there be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers which sojourn among you, that offereth a burnt offering or sacrifice,
9  And bringeth it not unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, to offer it unto the LORD; even that man shall be cut off from among his people.
 

 

[Qnts2]

24 minutes ago, Joline said:

A member of the new nation? What is that? The Abrahamic promise is to be made a father of Many nations.

Nation 'Goy' in Hebrew as used in the bible does not mean country. It means a 'people group'. The assembly of believers is One Nation made up of people from many nations.  Believers are a people group, not of like linage but of like spirit. This concept is sometimes referred to as the invisible church/assembly, made up of people from all around the world. In extension, at the time of the resurrection, all people who are saved, dead saint, will be resurrected to join with those who are alive. That will be one people group of like spirit from all ages and time. That is the One Nation.

In prophesy, the people who were to make Israel jealous is referred to or translated as a 'foolish' nation (people group), made up of people who are not a people or people who are not an ethnic group but are a diverse people who are made into a foolish nation.

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5 minutes ago, Qnts2 said:

Nation 'Goy' in Hebrew as used in the bible does not mean country. It means a 'people group'. The assembly of believers is One Nation made up of people from many nations.  Believers are a people group, not of like linage but of like spirit. This concept is sometimes referred to as the invisible church/assembly, made up of people from all around the world. In extension, at the time of the resurrection, all people who are saved, dead saint, will be resurrected to join with those who are alive. That will be one people group of like spirit from all ages and time. That is the One Nation.

In prophesy, the people who were to make Israel jealous is referred to or translated as a 'foolish' nation (people group), made up of people who are not a people or people who are not an ethnic group but are a diverse people who are made into a foolish nation.

Anyway, we are born again, and the promises made to Abraham concerning the nations of us are fufliiled in Christ. National (people groups) have received atonement in Christ Jesus heavenly ministry. Of which the earthly priesthood was a shadow.

Kings of people =royal priesthood of all nations people groups.

[Qnts2]

25 minutes ago, Joline said:

Those Holy days where people were not required to go to Jerusalem are Weekly Sabbath, Yom Teruah, and Yom Kippur.

These holy days did not happen apart from the priesthood. That was my point. They were feasts because the priesthood appeared with sacrifices for each one of these days. Otherwise they were not kept.

Le 23:4  These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
Le 23:37  These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:

Lev 17:2  Speak unto Aaron, and unto his sons, and unto all the children of Israel, and say unto them; This is the thing which the LORD hath commanded, saying,
3  What man soever there be of the house of Israel, that killeth an ox, or lamb, or goat, in the camp, or that killeth it out of the camp,
4  And bringeth it not unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, to offer an offering unto the LORD before the tabernacle of the LORD; blood shall be imputed unto that man; he hath shed blood; and that man shall be cut off from among his people:
5  To the end that the children of Israel may bring their sacrifices, which they offer in the open field, even that they may bring them unto the LORD, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, unto the priest, and offer them for peace offerings unto the LORD.
6  And the priest shall sprinkle the blood upon the altar of the LORD at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and burn the fat for a sweet savour unto the LORD.
7  And they shall no more offer their sacrifices unto devils, after whom they have gone a whoring. This shall be a statute for ever unto them throughout their generations.
8  And thou shalt say unto them, Whatsoever man there be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers which sojourn among you, that offereth a burnt offering or sacrifice,
9  And bringeth it not unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, to offer it unto the LORD; even that man shall be cut off from among his people.
 

 

You are really stuck on the Priesthood, but ignore the people. I can celebrate the Sabbath, whether the Priesthood exists or not. In the Mosaic law, I am to rest, do no work. In doing that, I have obeyed the Sabbath law. I am not a Priest according to the Mosaic law. So, I would stay home and rest.

For Yom Kippur, I stay home, do no work, fast, and repent or humble myself before God. I would not have been required to travel to Jerusalem.

A convocation is a sacred assembly or a calling together.

Exodus 34:23 Thrice in the year shall all your menchildren appear before the Lord God, the God of Israel. 

[Qnts2]

I think you are confused about the difference between the multiple covenants given to Abraham and the Mosaic covenant.

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28 minutes ago, Qnts2 said:

tYou are really stuck on the Priesthood, but ignore the people. I can celebrate the Sabbath, whether the Priesthood exists or not. In the Mosaic law, I am to rest, do no work. In doing that, I have obeyed the Sabbath law. I am not a Priest according to the Mosaic law. So, I would stay home and rest.

For Yom Kippur, I stay home, do no work, fast, and repent or humble myself before God. I would not have been required to travel to Jerusalem.

A convocation is a sacred assembly or a calling together.

Exodus 34:23 Thrice in the year shall all your menchildren appear before the Lord God, the God of Israel. 

No not stuck on it. I am merely not ignoring it's significance qnts. No I do not ignore the people, rather my focus is upon the Abrahamic promises and it's fulfillment in a shoadow in the Levitical temple and ministry.. Yes, you can do whatever you wish. But to say you are keeping the law is the problem here. This notion disorts what the law says.

Edited February 7, 2016 by Joline