fulfilled feasts

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32 minutes ago, Qnts2 said:

think you are confused about the difference between the multiple covenants given to Abraham and the Mosaic covenant.

Since you have provided no post for your response, your comment is ambiguous. Of course we should expect to think the other of erring or of being  in confusion. Persons which disagree always do. No biggie.

Israel as a "people group" existed due to Gods faithfulness to Abraham. We all "peole groups" are benefitting from it in Christ.

Edited February 7, 2016 by Joline

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4 hours ago, Joline said:

No not stuck on it. I am merely not ignoring it's significance qnts. No I do not ignore the people, rather my focus is upon the Abrahamic promises and it's fulfillment in a shoadow in the Levitical temple and ministry.. Yes, you can do whatever you wish. But to say you are keeping the law is the problem here. This notion disorts what the law says.

I don't claim to keep the Mosaic law. But, if I did, for me, keeping the Mosaic law only would be the laws which applied to me. Not the laws which apply to someone else. I don't know of any Messianic Jew who claims to keep the Mosaic law.

And I want to say that I misunderstood your post about the Mosaic covenants. The promise/covenant you mentioned, that Abraham would be the father of many nations has been fulfilled, unless God has a surprise and there is more to it. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Qnts2 said:

I don't claim to keep the Mosaic law. But, if I did, for me, keeping the Mosaic law only would be the laws which applied to me. Not the laws which apply to someone else. I don't know of any Messianic Jew who claims to keep the Mosaic law.

And I want to say that I misunderstood your post about the Mosaic covenants. The promise/covenant you mentioned, that Abraham would be the father of many nations has been fulfilled, unless God has a surprise and there is more to it. 

 

Plenty of messianics claim to keep the law. But I am glad you recognize That the church is the beginning of the fulfilment of the promises made to us in the covenant of Genesis 17. ;-)

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4 hours ago, Joline said:

Since you have provided no post for your response, your comment is ambiguous. Of course we should expect to think the other of erring or of being  in confusion. Persons which disagree always do. No biggie.

Israel as a "people group" existed due to Gods faithfulness to Abraham. We all "peole groups" are benefitting from it in Christ.

I was having difficulties quoting that post. When I specified 'quote' it would not pick up what you wrote.

You are right, Israel as a people existed due to Gods faithfulness to Abraham. Of course, God does say Israel being chosen by God was not due to any superiority of the Jewish people, but just the opposite. God says that the children of Israel were a small, weak, and stiff necked people. I believe that the children of Israel had all of the faults of other people, so serve as an example. I also believe that the children of Israel were small and weak, so God got the glory as it was clear that the children of Israel could not accomplish alone, what God did for them so it was clearly God.

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2 minutes ago, Qnts2 said:

I was having difficulties quoting that post. When I specified 'quote' it would not pick up what you wrote.

You are right, Israel as a people existed due to Gods faithfulness to Abraham. Of course, God does say Israel being chosen by God was not due to any superiority of the Jewish people, but just the opposite. God says that the children of Israel were a small, weak, and stiff necked people. I believe that the children of Israel had all of the faults of other people, so serve as an example. I also believe that the children of Israel were small and weak, so God got the glory as it was clear that the children of Israel could not accomplish alone, what God did for them so it was clearly God.

Yep, we appear to agree. But there were two covenants made with Abraham. Israel as an earthly fleshly nation walked by and still walk by the covenant made in Geneis 15

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1 minute ago, Joline said:

Plenty of messianics claim to keep the law. But I am glad you recognize That the church is the beginning of the fulfilment of the promises made to us in the covenant of Genesis 17. ;-)

I specified Messianic Jews, as I am aware that other people who call themselves Messianic do claim to keep the Mosaic law. I have disagreed with many as even the way they claim to keep the food laws are often seriously flawed as they do not deal with the blood which is in supermarket meat. Supermarket meat has not had the blood entirely removed and is too old to remove the remaining blood. If I kept the food laws as I used to prior to believing on Jesus, I would not eat in their homes.

For those who claim to keep the dietary laws, but do not really keep them, I am at a quandry as to whether I would eat in their homes. Since I know they are not keeping the dietary laws, do I eat with them and accept the false statement, or do I ignore their false statement and go ahead and eat. I have not been invited over to eat, and if that ever happens, I'm not sure what I would do.  

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5 minutes ago, Joline said:

Yep, we appear to agree. But there were two covenants made with Abraham. Israel as an earthly fleshly nation walked by and still walk by the covenant made in Geneis 15

I see actually possibly 4 covenants.

1. The land

2. Isaac and the multitude of people

3. The Messiah would come thru the seed of Abraham

4. Abraham being the father of many nations which I see as both physical and spiritual. Physically, Abraham is the father of both Israel and Ishmael's descendents which would be the Arabs of the Arabian peninsula.

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8 minutes ago, Qnts2 said:

I specified Messianic Jews, as I am aware that other people who call themselves Messianic do claim to keep the Mosaic law. I have disagreed with many as even the way they claim to keep the food laws are often seriously flawed as they do not deal with the blood which is in supermarket meat. Supermarket meat has not had the blood entirely removed and is too old to remove the remaining blood. If I kept the food laws as I used to prior to believing on Jesus, I would not eat in their homes.

For those who claim to keep the dietary laws, but do not really keep them, I am at a quandry as to whether I would eat in their homes. Since I know they are not keeping the dietary laws, do I eat with them and accept the false statement, or do I ignore their false statement and go ahead and eat. I have not been invited over to eat, and if that ever happens, I'm not sure what I would do.  

Yes, you did say Messianic Jews. You claim to keep the feasts don't you?

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Just now, Joline said:

Yes, you did say Messianic Jews. You claim to keep the feasts don't you?

I do not keep the feasts according to the Mosaic law. I celebrate the feasts which is different then keeping the feasts. 

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19 minutes ago, Qnts2 said:

I do not keep the feasts according to the Mosaic law. I celebrate the feasts which is different then keeping the feasts. 

Well keeping and celebrating are the same thing.