Guest Teditis Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I agree with Spock... God does have a reason to be loved; so He loved us first so that in time, we would love Him too. **Wonderful thread btw... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted February 13, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.34 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 13, 2016 1 hour ago, Kan said: Does He have a need to love? A need as great as He is? God, being God, has no "needs" (unlike humans). God loves because it is the essence of His character. Firstly, He has loved His "beloved Son" from eternity past (and that love has been fully reciprocated by the Son in the "bosom" of the Father), and because we are in Christ, He loves us also as members of His Body. At the same time, God loves the world of humanity, and the proof is in the Cross (Jn 3:16). He loves the vilest of sinners, and only those who turn away from God's grace, forfeit His mercy and loving kindness (Jn 3:36). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock Posted February 13, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,239 Content Per Day: 0.86 Reputation: 1,686 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/26/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted February 13, 2016 3 minutes ago, Ezra said: God, being God, has no "needs" (unlike humans). God loves because it is the essence of His character. Firstly, He has loved His "beloved Son" from eternity past (and that love has been fully reciprocated by the Son in the "bosom" of the Father), and because we are in Christ, He loves us also as members of His Body. At the same time, God loves the world of humanity, and the proof is in the Cross (Jn 3:16). He loves the vilest of sinners, and only those who turn away from God's grace, forfeit His mercy and loving kindness (Jn 3:36). I can't comprehend this comment. "He has no needs..." when I try to comprehend it, a robot comes into my thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted February 13, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,281 Content Per Day: 7.99 Reputation: 21,501 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted February 13, 2016 There are clear distinctions of hating sin and loving sinner... while the vessels set forth by God through procreation exist in first born potentials elected and choosing in schema exceeding our ability to reason so the quandary shall be till furthered into His Mindset in the presence with Him! Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted February 13, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,281 Content Per Day: 7.99 Reputation: 21,501 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted February 13, 2016 4 minutes ago, Spock said: I can't comprehend this comment. "He has no needs..." when I try to comprehend it, a robot comes into my thoughts. He 'IS' The uncreated without end all else derives what it is from Him yet He Himself derives nothing for His existence.... Need suggest reliance upon ->God does not have this as uncreated creator! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock Posted February 13, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,239 Content Per Day: 0.86 Reputation: 1,686 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/26/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted February 13, 2016 1 hour ago, thereselittleflower said: What a profound question. Indeed. I've enjoyed pondering these questions the past 30 minutes, but now I'm feeling the need to chill out on my couch with my dog by myside and catch up on a few tv shows we recorded- Daredevil and then Grimm. Catch you guys later tonight. Spock out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted February 13, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.69 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 13, 2016 4 minutes ago, enoob57 said: There are clear distinctions of hating sin and loving sinner... while the vessels set forth by God through procreation exist in first born potentials elected and choosing in schema exceeding our ability to reason so the quandary shall be till furthered into His Mindset in the presence with Him! Love, Steven really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted February 13, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,281 Content Per Day: 7.99 Reputation: 21,501 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Just now, thereselittleflower said: really? am I to understand what this means? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted February 13, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,863 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,763 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 13, 2016 7 hours ago, bopeep1909 said: Why does God love us? I don't like to crush your party, but why not, I don't see a sign that says,"agreements only", but I can prove that he Loves us because he feels guilty. I understan your negative response to my point of view, but if you chearch scripture you will find out that guilt is one of the elements to Love us and that's not the only one, "lolilness", is the other one. What else can we add to our list, " seeking grater Glory than he had before", (this is in referance to Christ", not to the Father). Another one to have "the right to judge", every one, and that's very important to have the last word. Well I never said that he is not Love, and Mercy, and we thank him for our Savior, and our Lord Jesus Christ. The question was "Why" not what he is. If you are wondering whether I have sin or not, No I have not Sin. There is scripture that supports what I post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan Posted February 13, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,849 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 2,013 Days Won: 24 Joined: 07/08/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/15/1996 Share Posted February 13, 2016 1 John: 8-10 8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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