Israel's 1st gathering of 1948

[Serving]

1st Gathering of rebellious Israel 1948

Zephaniah 1:14-18

14 The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.

15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,

16 A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers.

17 And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.

18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD'S wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.

Zephaniah 2:1-2

1 Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired;

2 Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger come upon you.

 

God gathered Israel in '48 for the coming WRATH .. He gathered them BEFORE the WRATH comes .. which is the 1948 gathering .. God intends to punish Israel which is part of the reason He brought them back as a nation .. Israel was NOT gathered for good on the whole, yet a third part of Israel WILL be accepted when Christ returns, but on the whole and for the majority, Israel were instead gathered for bad .. Israel today is NOT blessed, Israel today REJECTS Christ still .. Israel is being PRESERVED by God against the nations for these last and soon to be 70 years UNTIL her time of punishment comes, this is WHY they were gathered in '48 because Israel's STIFF NECK still has not yielded to their Messiah .. this is why it SEEMS Israel is being protected for Good .. but those who think this are deluded .. God is preserving Israel from all the nations UNTIL the punishments commence .. God is PRESERVING Israel for PUNISHMENTS.

And what does Zechariah say of this rebellious groups gathering ?

Zechariah 14:1-4

1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then (after the wrath) shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

This is what Israel has been preserved for .. for PUNISHMENT, but a REMNANT of this REBELLIOUS house will be spared to learn of Christ AFTER He returns .. meaning .. they remain FLESH whereas Christ's saints are all changed into SPIRIT and rule over these Israelites.

And how many out of that REBELLIOUS house of today's Israel are to be spared? The RESIDUE mentioned above?

Zechariah 13:8-9

8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

There are even more prophecies I have left out .. some really good ones too, but I have done this on purpose .. EVEN the above v7 of Zech 13 have I purposely left out where scholarly types will think they found a mistake against me when reading it .. I did this on purpose for to ALLOW their attack .. bring it on.

Anyway, notice that this 1948 group gathering lasts RIGHT UP TO THE 2nd COMING ?????

So tell me .. my QUESTION .. WHERE is room for this other gathering, the 2nd gathering which is for Israel's GOOD to APPARENTLY take place BEFORE Christ returns .. which thing is linked with this so called Gog & Magog ALSO attacking BEFORE Christ returns?

It is NON EXISTENT since only ONE GATHERED GROUP is present right up to the 2nd coming itself and they are of the 1st gathering .. the 2nd gathering ONLY happens some time very SHORTLY AFTER Christ returns .. just like Gog & Magog (except Gog & Magog is AFTER the 1000 years).. so the 2 gatherings ALSO disagree with a Gog & Magog attack before the Millennium.

 

 

[n2thelight]

On Wednesday, February 17, 2016 at 0:42 AM, Serving said:

1st Gathering of rebellious Israel 1948

Zephaniah 1:14-18

14 The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.

15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,

16 A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers.

17 And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.

18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD'S wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.

Zephaniah 2:1-2

1 Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired;

2 Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger come upon you.

 

God gathered Israel in '48 for the coming WRATH .. He gathered them BEFORE the WRATH comes .. which is the 1948 gathering .. God intends to punish Israel which is part of the reason He brought them back as a nation .. Israel was NOT gathered for good on the whole, yet a third part of Israel WILL be accepted when Christ returns, but on the whole and for the majority, Israel were instead gathered for bad .. Israel today is NOT blessed, Israel today REJECTS Christ still .. Israel is being PRESERVED by God against the nations for these last and soon to be 70 years UNTIL her time of punishment comes, this is WHY they were gathered in '48 because Israel's STIFF NECK still has not yielded to their Messiah .. this is why it SEEMS Israel is being protected for Good .. but those who think this are deluded .. God is preserving Israel from all the nations UNTIL the punishments commence .. God is PRESERVING Israel for PUNISHMENTS.

And what does Zechariah say of this rebellious groups gathering ?

Zechariah 14:1-4

1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then (after the wrath) shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

This is what Israel has been preserved for .. for PUNISHMENT, but a REMNANT of this REBELLIOUS house will be spared to learn of Christ AFTER He returns .. meaning .. they remain FLESH whereas Christ's saints are all changed into SPIRIT and rule over these Israelites.

And how many out of that REBELLIOUS house of today's Israel are to be spared? The RESIDUE mentioned above?

Zechariah 13:8-9

8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

There are even more prophecies I have left out .. some really good ones too, but I have done this on purpose .. EVEN the above v7 of Zech 13 have I purposely left out where scholarly types will think they found a mistake against me when reading it .. I did this on purpose for to ALLOW their attack .. bring it on.

Anyway, notice that this 1948 group gathering lasts RIGHT UP TO THE 2nd COMING ?????

So tell me .. my QUESTION .. WHERE is room for this other gathering, the 2nd gathering which is for Israel's GOOD to APPARENTLY take place BEFORE Christ returns .. which thing is linked with this so called Gog & Magog ALSO attacking BEFORE Christ returns?

It is NON EXISTENT since only ONE GATHERED GROUP is present right up to the 2nd coming itself and they are of the 1st gathering .. the 2nd gathering ONLY happens some time very SHORTLY AFTER Christ returns .. just like Gog & Magog (except Gog & Magog is AFTER the 1000 years).. so the 2 gatherings ALSO disagree with a Gog & Magog attack before the Millennium.

 

 

Hello Serving

I think it's very important to know who Israel is and who returned in 48

Remember the good and the bad figs returned,ie,the bad being those who call themselves Jew's but are not

Also remember only Judah returned

[Refined]

I don't know that I agree with the overall theme you are laying out.  I really haven't had enough time to think about it to form much of an opinion though.  

 

One thing I do know is this, the modern nation-state of Israel is definitely not the apple of God's eye.  A little research into the symbol used to represent it, the misnamed star of "David," really paints the picture for the what they stand for.  They are as secular and antiChrist as most countries out there, including the United States of America.  The whole world lies in the evil one, and the nation-state of Israel is no exception.

Modern Israel could cease to exist as she currently does and it wouldn't make a drop in the bucket of a difference regarding biblical prophecy.  Gods plans would roll on just the same, without a hindrance at all.  That's because most prophecy people associate with this modern state is misplaced.  

Modern Israel, as with any nation, is in dire need of the gospel of Jesus Christ.  The whole purpose of the bloodline from Abraham to David, from David to Josiah (Babylon), and from Jechoniah To Jesus (Christ) is a pure bloodline that culminated in Christ.  Once the Christ had come, the son of God in the flesh, the bloodline had served its purpose.  It is cool to be able to say you share similar bloodline as Paul, James, and our Savior, Jesus.  But it doesn't make a hill of beans difference if you haven't been born again.  And it surely doesn't make you better than any brother or sister in Christ to be so.

Who cares what general background people's bloodlines are?  The gospel is open to all.  Every nation tribe and tongue.  No one of any bloodline who rejected the Gospel will be saved.  All people from any bloodline who do live the Gospel will be saved.  

Why do I say all this?  I think the attention given to modern Israel from Christian leadership is distracting from the purity of the gospel and misleading to those within and outside of the church of Jesus Christ.  

Modern Israel happens to be located on a piece of ground that has deep biblical history.  Well, Woohoo... That can change...

Blessings,

Travis

Edited February 19, 2016 by Refined

[WilliamL]

2 hours ago, Refined said:

Who cares what general background people's bloodlines are?

God cares.

Rom. 11:28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. ... 32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.

...26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;

27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”

[Refined]

10 hours ago, WilliamL said:

God cares.

You are correct.

God does care about the physical descendants of Abraham.  He cares about those who descend from Judah as well.  God also cares about Arab's, Palestinians, Chinese, Germans, Africans, Hawaiian, American Indian, and even Polish people.  He will save men and women from every nation tribe and tongue, Judah being no exception.  The problem is when we think the modern nation-state of Israel is the same as the word Israel mentioned in the scriptures.  

Its not the Israeli good guys vs the Iranian bad guys.  It's the Israeli bad guys against the Iranian bad guys with the support of the US bad guys.  The people running/responsible for the creation and maintenance of the modern nation state of Israel are evil to the core as well.  It saddens me to see their actions attributed to God's name.  God can and does use whoever he wants, no doubt, but its quite silly to think he is behind the evil they perpetuate, no matter how much they spin it to look good.

God loves Jews.  I love Jews.  And I wish others would love Jews enough to tell them and everyone else just how evil the current nation of Israel is, and to not identify oneself with it.  If you want to identify with Israel, do so with the Israel which is above, of which all who have faith are citizens there of.  That Israel will never fail.

Blessings,

Travis

 

[n2thelight]

6 hours ago, Refined said:

You are correct.

God does care about the physical descendants of Abraham.  He cares about those who descend from Judah as well.  God also cares about Arab's, Palestinians, Chinese, Germans, Africans, Hawaiian, American Indian, and even Polish people.  He will save men and women from every nation tribe and tongue, Judah being no exception.  The problem is when we think the modern nation-state of Israel is the same as the word Israel mentioned in the scriptures.

Its not the Israeli good guys vs the Iranian bad guys.  It's the Israeli bad guys against the Iranian bad guys with the support of the US bad guys.  The people running/responsible for the creation and maintenance of the modern nation state of Israel are evil to the core as well.  It saddens me to see their actions attributed to God's name.  God can and does use whoever he wants, no doubt, but its quite silly to think he is behind the evil they perpetuate, no matter how much they spin it to look good.

God loves Jews.  I love Jews.  And I wish others would love Jews enough to tell them and everyone else just how evil the current nation of Israel is, and to not identify oneself with it.  If you want to identify with Israel, do so with the Israel which is above, of which all who have faith are citizens there of.  That Israel will never fail.

Blessings,

Travis

 

The evil one's are from the evil basket.These are those that call themselves Jew's but are not,they are of satan.

[WilliamL]

On 2/19/2016 at 4:32 AM, Refined said:

Modern Israel could cease to exist as she currently does and it wouldn't make a drop in the bucket of a difference regarding biblical prophecy.  Gods plans would roll on just the same, without a hindrance at all.

This only shows you have little clue about biblical prophecy.

On 2/20/2016 at 6:40 PM, Refined said:

Its not the Israeli good guys vs the Iranian bad guys.  It's the Israeli bad guys against the Iranian bad guys with the support of the US bad guys.

But there are good guys mixed among all of these nations. You seem obsessed to only focus on the bad.

On 2/20/2016 at 6:40 PM, Refined said:

The people running/responsible for the creation and maintenance of the modern nation state of Israel are evil to the core as well.

Who do you think you are, God? Only God knows who is "evil to the core." Nebuchadnezzar was an evil man also, and yet had good men working within his government. Who are you to say that the modern state of Israel is worse than ancient Babylon?

[Refined]

• 16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. 18 A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus you will recognize them by their fruits. Matthew 7:16-20 

There are good guys mixed into every nation, tribe, and tongue.  This is a correct statement.  I agree 100%.

Why do I call a group of people evil, or a nation-state evil?  I look at it's fruit.  By examining the fruit its quite easy to tell that something is over the top, extremely, incredibly, ostentatiously, severely wrong with the nation-state of Israel that so many want to give credit for being God's nation.  Just because someone calls themselves Israel doesn't mean they are the Israel spoken of in scripture.  It's a good ploy to get naive American Christians to back them financially and otherwise, but it doesn't actually make it so.  

I'm not upset with anyone here.  I am upset at the lies which have been perpetuated for some time.  I do hope we can keep it civil and avoid making it overly personal while discussing this matter as adults.  

If those in political power in Israel want to follow the Torah and call themselves Jews, I support that in every way.  The Torah would tell them:

• 19 Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt. - Deuteronomy 10:19
• 21 "You shall not wrong a sojourner or oppress him, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt. 22 You shall not mistreat any widow or fatherless child. 23 If you do mistreat them, and they cry out to me, I will surely hear their cry, - Exodus 22:21-23

And yet there are millions of people who have a legitimate claim to land inside of Israel who are oppressed and confined to standards of living that are beyond unacceptable.  How Palestinians are treated in Israel says incredible things about what are in the hearts of those running the country.  Using proof text arguments about bloodlines and how the descendants of so and so deserve what they get because it's biblical prophesy is a bunch of garbage as well.  

Here is the whole of the law:

• 27 And he answered, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself." - Luke 10:27

The modern nation state of Israel fails this in all regards.  There are believers in Israel who do not fail this, they are the true Israel of God, born from above, and my brothers and sisters.  It's for their sakes and others I say these things.  Modern Israel is not a beacon on a hill shining light upon the Savior, it is at best salt that has lost it's saltiness.  I'm not convinced it was ever salt in the first place... but that's a different story.

Have you heard of the Deir Yassin Massacre.  Key word there being Massacre.

Blessings,

Travis

Edited February 21, 2016 by Refined

[WilliamL]

4 hours ago, Refined said:

And yet there are millions of people who have a legitimate claim to land inside of Israel who are oppressed and confined to standards of living that are beyond unacceptable.  How Palestinians are treated in Israel says incredible things about what are in the hearts of those running the country.

How are/were the Jews treated in Islamic lands in the past century? How were they treated in Egypt, and Iraq, and Algeria, and Morocco? and Palestine in 1948? Why do you and people like you have such a double standard in making your judgments? One might get the impression of racism: one standard for the Jewish state, and another standard for the Arabic states.

How are Palestinians treated in Saudi Arabia? Do you know?

"How Palestinians are treated in Israel says" that the Jews are no fools. Because if the situation were to be reversed, the Jews would be killed and driven out. The Jews have learned that from experience.

[tigger398]

So if the jewish people came into the land in 1948. Why do people say that there going back to the land as prophecy when it already did in 1948. I'm still confused in that.