The real history of Jesus and the lost years ?

[SINNERSAVED]

Okay, I have been studying the bible like no tomorrow, and have followed as much as I can with scriptures, and the word of God in the old and in the new testament,

so I want to make this clear to start off with a few questions I am about to ask are valid questions, and has nothing to do with what I believe in , or of my faith , so lets start here ,I don't want it to be about me,  but about how to find the needed information to secure our grounds for what we believe about jesus the new testament books and how we know it is true and Gods word,?

 first I go to church and I have read and heard that we need to know that the bible is the inspired word of God it is God breath to the authors and to the books with in them ? that's what we are told, ?

also we are told that the new testaments are the books according to the name of the books, so it is a story of , but not of the original writer, ?

for every book says according to ?

next we have where in the niece counsel that the bible was agreed on and made to be a bible and a book of what we read today , and some writings and books were and were not put in them by this counsel, ?

 this counsel was headed by a roman emperor and so we need to see how this works according to what we believe for it was the romans that crucified Jesus , so that seems like a honest question how do we get a bible from and formed by the same people that killed our Jesus ?

 now there is talk that there is about twenty plus years or so that has no history of jesus and His where abouts, so where was Jesus in the missing years,

can we say that the bible and the new testament scriptures are correct and true, is there proof or documentation that there was proof of Jesus the son of God and raised from the dead other then in what the bible states ?

 there are more books in the catholic bible then the KJV ? why is this,?

now I hear that Jesus could have had a relation sip with mary mag? I have never heard this before but now its the new thing that is new to my understanding, I don't understand about this, any way and if it be true or not I don't know ?

and last How did the bible books and scrolls end up into a bible we call today as the word of God, for jesus needs to be proven a historic figure other then the bible , for there has to be witnesses , that He was the son of God ?

so I ask the hard questions here, only to gather ,information from others of there information and where to find the resources to answer these questions it is just strictly research with valid questions always asked, and so I am trying to note this for my own self , and get in sight to what to look for and where to go for other then what I have found, it is a great tool and use of getting to the foundations of what we believe and why ,

 for WARNING I believe there is a lot of counterfit, doctrines and false teachings and false information to also mis lead us away from the true facts and scriptures of truth , so no one says I am stiring anything here , or questioning, a belief , it is research , and I believe there is very knowledgeable people here that can help bring to light some of the answers I have posted ,

thank you ahead of time, and blessings and peace,

  your comments and responses will be much appreciated, thank you ,

 

 

[Ezra]

The real history of Jesus and the lost years ?

The way to look at this is quite simple:

1. The real history of Jesus is  in the Gospels.

2. The "lost years" are none of our concern.

So just study the Gospels, and be thankful that they are the inspired written Word of God.

[SINNERSAVED]

5 hours ago, Ezra said:

 

 

The way to look at this is quite simple:

1. The real history of Jesus is  in the Gospels.

2. The "lost years" are none of our concern.

So just study the Gospels, and be thankful that they are the inspired written Word of God.

you have just over look a important aspect of what we believe and why we believe,

 ask no questions and just follow what we have , not good advise ,I would say , please read the post I am looking for serious answers ,

we are to test everything, and if you don't then it be the blind leading the blind, for there is no wisdom or knowledge in not attempting to seek what is truth .?

 thank you

[ENOCH2010]

The Bible contains all the info we have about Jesus, I know of a couple other writings out there, but if you read and compare them to the Bible you will see there isn't any truth in them. It's all about faith.... 

[MorningGlory]

As for Jesus having a 'relationship' with Mary Magdaline, that probably comes from books like the Da Vinci Code and is pure fiction.  Jeesus was the perfect Son of God and never sinned, otherwise He could not have taken the sin of the world on Himself.  The Romans may have executed Jesus but it was on the orders of the Jewish high priests.   There are no verifiable stories that I'm aware of about Jesus' early years either so what is there to research?  Our Bible was commissioned by King James, an English ruler, although the early Bible was ordered to be put together by the Roman emporer, Constantine.  The Catholic Bible includes the Apocrypha, the Protestant Bible does not.  As to the 'neice counsel' I have NO idea what that would be.  And last, why would any believer need to question the Old OR New Testaments?  We already have our answers and I don't see why anyone needs to go extrabiblical looking for something outside the faith.

[MorningGlory]

44 minutes ago, SINNERSAVED said:

you have just over look a important aspect of what we believe and why we believe,

 ask no questions and just follow what we have , not good advise ,I would say , please read the post I am looking for serious answers ,

we are to test everything, and if you don't then it be the blind leading the blind, for there is no wisdom or knowledge in not attempting to seek what is truth .?

 thank you

I don't get it.  You think we are to 'test' the Bible?  As compared to what?

[Retrobyter]

6 hours ago, SINNERSAVED said:

Okay, I have been studying the bible like no tomorrow, and have followed as much as I can with scriptures, and the word of God in the old and in the new testament,

so I want to make this clear to start off with a few questions I am about to ask are valid questions, and has nothing to do with what I believe in , or of my faith , so lets start here ,I don't want it to be about me,  but about how to find the needed information to secure our grounds for what we believe about jesus the new testament books and how we know it is true and Gods word,?

 first I go to church and I have read and heard that we need to know that the bible is the inspired word of God it is God breath to the authors and to the books with in them ? that's what we are told, ?

also we are told that the new testaments are the books according to the name of the books, so it is a story of , but not of the original writer, ?

for every book says according to ?

next we have where in the niece counsel that the bible was agreed on and made to be a bible and a book of what we read today , and some writings and books were and were not put in them by this counsel, ?

 this counsel was headed by a roman emperor and so we need to see how this works according to what we believe for it was the romans that crucified Jesus , so that seems like a honest question how do we get a bible from and formed by the same people that killed our Jesus ?

 now there is talk that there is about twenty plus years or so that has no history of jesus and His where abouts, so where was Jesus in the missing years,

can we say that the bible and the new testament scriptures are correct and true, is there proof or documentation that there was proof of Jesus the son of God and raised from the dead other then in what the bible states ?

 there are more books in the catholic bible then the KJV ? why is this,?

now I hear that Jesus could have had a relation sip with mary mag? I have never heard this before but now its the new thing that is new to my understanding, I don't understand about this, any way and if it be true or not I don't know ?

and last How did the bible books and scrolls end up into a bible we call today as the word of God, for jesus needs to be proven a historic figure other then the bible , for there has to be witnesses , that He was the son of God ?

so I ask the hard questions here, only to gather ,information from others of there information and where to find the resources to answer these questions it is just strictly research with valid questions always asked, and so I am trying to note this for my own self , and get in sight to what to look for and where to go for other then what I have found, it is a great tool and use of getting to the foundations of what we believe and why ,

 for WARNING I believe there is a lot of counterfit, doctrines and false teachings and false information to also mis lead us away from the true facts and scriptures of truth , so no one says I am stiring anything here , or questioning, a belief , it is research , and I believe there is very knowledgeable people here that can help bring to light some of the answers I have posted ,

thank you ahead of time, and blessings and peace,

  your comments and responses will be much appreciated, thank you ,

 

 

Shalom, SINNERSAVED.

He was right there in Natsaret (Nazareth), working along side His adopted father, Yosef (Joseph), learning the trade of carpentry. We have a brief glimpse of His bar-mitsvah when He became an "Heir of the Commandment" when He and His parents went up to Yerushalayim for Pesach (Passover) and He stayed behind when they left.

Luke 2:41-51
41 Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover.
42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast.
43 And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it.
44 But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day's journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance.
45 And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him.
46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.
47 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.
48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
50 And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.
51 And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart.
KJV

However, a priest was not to begin his ministry until he was 30 years old:

Numbers 4:1-49
1 And the Lord spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying,
2 Take the sum of the sons of Kohath from among the sons of Levi, after their families, by the house of their fathers,
3 From thirty years old and upward even until fifty years old, all that enter into the host, to do the work in the tabernacle of the congregation.
4 This shall be the service of the sons of Kohath in the tabernacle of the congregation, about the most holy things:
5 And when the camp setteth forward, Aaron shall come, and his sons, and they shall take down the covering vail, and cover the ark of testimony with it:
6 And shall put thereon the covering of badgers' skins, and shall spread over it a cloth wholly of blue, and shall put in the staves thereof.
7 And upon the table of shewbread they shall spread a cloth of blue, and put thereon the dishes, and the spoons, and the bowls, and covers to cover withal: and the continual bread shall be thereon:
8 And they shall spread upon them a cloth of scarlet, and cover the same with a covering of badgers' skins, and shall put in the staves thereof.
9 And they shall take a cloth of blue, and cover the candlestick of the light, and his lamps, and his tongs, and his snuffdishes, and all the oil vessels thereof, wherewith they minister unto it:
10 And they shall put it and all the vessels thereof within a covering of badgers' skins, and shall put it upon a bar.
11 And upon the golden altar they shall spread a cloth of blue, and cover it with a covering of badgers' skins, and shall put to the staves thereof:
12 And they shall take all the instruments of ministry, wherewith they minister in the sanctuary, and put them in a cloth of blue, and cover them with a covering of badgers' skins, and shall put them on a bar:
13 And they shall take away the ashes from the altar, and spread a purple cloth thereon:
14 And they shall put upon it all the vessels thereof, wherewith they minister about it, even the censers, the fleshhooks, and the shovels, and the basons, all the vessels of the altar; and they shall spread upon it a covering of badgers' skins, and put to the staves of it.
15 And when Aaron and his sons have made an end of covering the sanctuary, and all the vessels of the sanctuary, as the camp is to set forward; after that, the sons of Kohath shall come to bear it: but they shall not touch any holy thing, lest they die. These things are the burden of the sons of Kohath in the tabernacle of the congregation.
16 And to the office of Eleazar the son of Aaron the priest pertaineth the oil for the light, and the sweet incense, and the daily meat offering, and the anointing oil, and the oversight of all the tabernacle, and of all that therein is, in the sanctuary, and in the vessels thereof.
17 And the Lord spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying,
18 Cut ye not off the tribe of the families of the Kohathites from among the Levites:
19 But thus do unto them, that they may live, and not die, when they approach unto the most holy things: Aaron and his sons shall go in, and appoint them every one to his service and to his burden:
20 But they shall not go in to see when the holy things are covered, lest they die.
21 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
22 Take also the sum of the sons of Gershon, throughout the houses of their fathers, by their families;
23 From thirty years old and upward until fifty years old shalt thou number them; all that enter in to perform the service, to do the work in the tabernacle of the congregation.
24 This is the service of the families of the Gershonites, to serve, and for burdens:
25 And they shall bear the curtains of the tabernacle, and the tabernacle of the congregation, his covering, and the covering of the badgers' skins that is above upon it, and the hanging for the door of the tabernacle of the congregation,
26 And the hangings of the court, and the hanging for the door of the gate of the court, which is by the tabernacle and by the altar round about, and their cords, and all the instruments of their service, and all that is made for them: so shall they serve.
27 At the appointment of Aaron and his sons shall be all the service of the sons of the Gershonites, in all their burdens, and in all their service: and ye shall appoint unto them in charge all their burdens.
28 This is the service of the families of the sons of Gershon in the tabernacle of the congregation: and their charge shall be under the hand of Ithamar the son of Aaron the priest.
29 As for the sons of Merari, thou shalt number them after their families, by the house of their fathers;
30 From thirty years old and upward even unto fifty years old shalt thou number them, every one that entereth into the service, to do the work of the tabernacle of the congregation.
31 And this is the charge of their burden, according to all their service in the tabernacle of the congregation; the boards of the tabernacle, and the bars thereof, and the pillars thereof, and sockets thereof,
32 And the pillars of the court round about, and their sockets, and their pins, and their cords, with all their instruments, and with all their service: and by name ye shall reckon the instruments of the charge of their burden.
33 This is the service of the families of the sons of Merari, according to all their service, in the tabernacle of the congregation, under the hand of Ithamar the son of Aaron the priest.
34 And Moses and Aaron and the chief of the congregation numbered the sons of the Kohathites after their families, and after the house of their fathers,
35 From thirty years old and upward even unto fifty years old, every one that entereth into the service, for the work in the tabernacle of the congregation:
36 And those that were numbered of them by their families were two thousand seven hundred and fifty.
37 These were they that were numbered of the families of the Kohathites, all that might do service in the tabernacle of the congregation, which Moses and Aaron did number according to the commandment of the Lord by the hand of Moses.
38 And those that were numbered of the sons of Gershon, throughout their families, and by the house of their fathers,
39 From thirty years old and upward even unto fifty years old, every one that entereth into the service, for the work in the tabernacle of the congregation,
40 Even those that were numbered of them, throughout their families, by the house of their fathers, were two thousand and six hundred and thirty.
41 These are they that were numbered of the families of the sons of Gershon, of all that might do service in the tabernacle of the congregation, whom Moses and Aaron did number according to the commandment of the Lord.
42 And those that were numbered of the families of the sons of Merari, throughout their families, by the house of their fathers,
43 From thirty years old and upward even unto fifty years old, every one that entereth into the service, for the work in the tabernacle of the congregation,
44 Even those that were numbered of them after their families, were three thousand and two hundred.
45 These be those that were numbered of the families of the sons of Merari, whom Moses and Aaron numbered according to the word of the Lord by the hand of Moses.
46 All those that were numbered of the Levites, whom Moses and Aaron and the chief of Israel numbered, after their families, and after the house of their fathers,
47 From thirty years old and upward even unto fifty years old, every one that came to do the service of the ministry, and the service of the burden in the tabernacle of the congregation,
48 Even those that were numbered of them, were eight thousand and five hundred and fourscore.
49 According to the commandment of the Lord they were numbered by the hand of Moses, every one according to his service, and according to his burden: thus were they numbered of him, as the Lord commanded Moses.
KJV

So, even though Yeshua` was a "priest forever after the order of Malkhiy-Tsedeq" (Melchizedek), His priesthood was not to begin until He was 30:

Luke 3:23
23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli, ...
KJV

And, we know a little about His brothers and sisters:

Matthew 13:54-56
54 And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?
55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?
KJV

So, He was one of at least 8 children! (Verse 56 does not use the word "both" but "all.")

At some point, Yosef is no longer mentioned. He probably died sometime between Yeshua` being 12 and 30 years old, but we are not told what happened.

This is what we were told about the "silent years."

[SINNERSAVED]

Because we like sheep have gone astray, Jesus claims to come and seek of what was lost,?

 the reasons for this topic is to expand the minds of the believer and none believer ?

 it gives us foundation to those questions asked by those that would like a answer, ?

 we can not say just look in the bible and not know the origins of how and why things came to be to make things happen, ?

for the same, we all have different views and opinions, that differ from one another,

we cannot set our selves into a believers only box, and not firm our understanding but what others believe, for

if other people from other beliefs and religions or the Christian belief say we do things this way because, and another says we do things because, then we have a whole mixed up and different believing ideas and understandings of what one Book is trying to tell us,

 for we agree on somethings and disagree on other things, we have thousands of different religions, and hundreds just in Christianity and what they believe it to be , and what they have interpret scripture to say,

So the bottom line is , that through out the whole bible and scripture , ? we have a God that is our creator, and says if my people will humble them selves and call on my name I will forgive them their transgressions and forgive them , and they will be my people,

 this is the base line core of what we believe,? and so its good to bring up other things like did Jesus have a relationship , with a women , how can that be, ?

 for there is a counterfeit gospels and doctrines and other writings out there laid out, to take in and to derail and expose a different view and story on what is the truth , and so by asking ,

what I do , it is not about me as a believer ,or my faith , my sister, but to get the truth and to expose the false teachings and books and all that satan has had thousands of years to plant, along the tares with the wheat, for satans deception and infiltration of the bible,s and the churches and the history  books and the false evidence and false documents are out there, to take us away from what we believe,

 it is a spiritual battle going on , and we only see the writings and what we are told to believe, so we must test everything, and be sure in the foundation that God has bestowed on us, for there is power in the name of Yahweh,and we are to search the scriptures and test the spirits to be of God or of the devil, I hope I cleared this up for clarity and my intent?

 thank you and blessings and peace to you....

[Ezra]

2 hours ago, SINNERSAVED said:

there is no wisdom or knowledge in not attempting to seek what is truth .?

Since all necessary wisdom, knowledge and  truth is in Scripture alone -- the Word of God -- there is no need to go anywhere else. The Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John give is all that we need to know about the life, teachings, death, burial, resurrection, and ascension of Christ.  Beyond that it becomes a desire to delve into things which are unprofitable.

[Ezra]

1 hour ago, MorningGlory said:

I don't get it.  You think we are to 'test' the Bible?  As compared to what?

Compared to the Gnostic fables, the Mormon writings, and various other extra-biblical prognostications (e.g Nostradamus).  But once we fail to see that the Bible itself is sufficient, we open the door to all kinds of false ideas and winds of doctrine.  Oh, and let us not forget the Jesus Seminar and the garbage they have come up with.