other one Posted February 5, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,129 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,858 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 5, 2017 Very Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Abrahams Posted February 7, 2017 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 78 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 62 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/02/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 7, 2017 Brothers sisters and children We all know the law of God very well. And then also the day of rest which we have to honor. And then there is the end of the law Romans 7:6 (ISV) But now we have been released from the Law by dying to what enslaved us, so that we may serve in the new life of the Spirit, not under the old writings. (KJV) But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. Also then end of the day of rest. But: For something better. As the day of rest was just the shadow . . .until the restoration. Hebrews 10:1 (ISV) For the Law, being only a reflection of the blessings to come and not their substance, can never make perfect those who come near by the same sacrifices repeatedly offered year after year. (KJV) For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. It was not the "very image of things" As the reality is here! Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. As God is now resting and we also in His new Life. And joy is flowing into our spirit by the Spirit Isa 14:3 And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve, Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased! Isa 14:5 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers. Isa 14:6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth. Isa 14:7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing. This is the reality of the Life of God becoming our new life in the rebirth. He is at rest while we have been in "hard bondage" to self when selflife/self ruled us. But now in His life . . .rest. While we were in charge of our lives we misused our bodies in striving for all the treasures of this world. Even striving to be good - to be god but in vain. We just tired ourselves . .. worked, worried, stressed ourselves to "death". But now . . .in the Spirit our bodies are nourished and and not overworked to the point of needing a sabbath. ph 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. Eph 5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. Our bodies belong now to Him to love and we experience a total difference! The real Sabbath of which the sabbath of the law was but . . . .a shadow. Love Johan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heretoeternity Posted February 8, 2017 Group: Seventh Day Adventist Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 480 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/06/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) The shadow of things to come was the Mosac law, the 600+ odd ceremonial, sacrificial, circumcision etc laws..these were ended in Acts 15 with the exception of the four mentioned...as Paul says in Col 2..they were a shadow of thing to come, they p;ointed to the cross, with their imperfect animal sacrificial system The law of Moses was written by the hand of Moses. God's law, the ten commandments (Exodus 20) was written by God's on the tablets of stone, and is the moral law for mankind to live by. As Jesus said in Matthew 5 heaven and earth will pass away, nothing will be changed in the law until all is fulfilled..well Heaven and earth are still here, so obviously all has NOT been fulfilled...so when Jesus says in John 14.15 if you love me keep my commandments..He is obviously referring to the Ten commandments. As the Holy 7th day Sabbath is the fourth commandment of the ten commandments, it is part of God's commandments and blessings for us... As Apostle John said in 1st John 5.3 this is the love of God that we keep His commandments and they are not burdensome. Edited February 8, 2017 by heretoeternity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WailingWall Posted February 8, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 458 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 1 Joined: 08/25/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted February 8, 2017 23 hours ago, Johan Abrahams said: Brothers sisters and children We all know the law of God very well. And then also the day of rest which we have to honor. And then there is the end of the law Romans 7:6 (ISV) But now we have been released from the Law by dying to what enslaved us, so that we may serve in the new life of the Spirit, not under the old writings. (KJV) But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. According to the scriptures Jesus did not do away with the law but made the law greater. He magnified the law to a spiritual level. He made the 10 commandments even harder to keep. 2 COR. 3 [6] WHO ALSO HATH MADE US ABLE MINISTERS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT; NOT OF THE LETTER, BUT OF THE SPIRIT: FOR THE LETTER KILLETH, BUT THE SPIRIT GIVETH LIFE. [7] But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: [8] How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? ROMANS 7 [4] Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. [5] For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. [6] But now we are DELIVERED FROM THE LAW, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should SERVE IN NEWNESS OF SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE OLDNESS OF THE LETTER. As we can see in above scriptures we are now to walk in the spirit of the law. If we walk only in the letter of the law this will lead to death, but if we walk in the spirit of the law this leads to life. MATTHEW 5 [20] For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. [21] Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, THOU SHALT NOT KILL; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: [22] BUT I SAY UNTO YOU, THAT WHOSOEVER IS ANGRY WITH HIS BROTHER WITHOUT A CAUSE SHALL BE IN DANGER OF THE JUDGMENT: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. OLD LETTER- Thou shalt not kill NEW SPIRIT- Don’t even get angry. Call no man a fool. Love one another in thought, word and deed. MATTHEW 5 [27] Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, thou shalt not commit adultery: [28] But i say unto you, that WHOSOEVER LOOKETH ON A WOMAN TO LUST AFTER HER HATH COMMITTED ADULTERY with her already in his heart. OLD LETTER- Thou shalt not commit adultery NEW SPIRIT- Do not look on a woman to lust. Keep the law in our mind and spirit. Even in our eyes. So you can see that Jesus did not do away with the letter of the law. Common sense will tell ya in order to walk in the spirit of the law you must also be walking in the letter. Jesus made the commandments even harder to keep and more honorable. ISAIAH 42 [20] Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.[21] The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; HE WILL MAGNIFY THE LAW, and make it honourable. Yes, Jesus magnified the law. He took the letter of the law (which leads to death) and magnified the law to a spiritual level (which leads to life). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Abrahams Posted February 8, 2017 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 78 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 62 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/02/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 8, 2017 2 hours ago, WailingWall said: According to the scriptures Jesus did not do away with the law but made the law greater. He magnified the law to a spiritual level. He made the 10 commandments even harder to keep. 2 COR. 3 [6] WHO ALSO HATH MADE US ABLE MINISTERS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT; NOT OF THE LETTER, BUT OF THE SPIRIT: FOR THE LETTER KILLETH, BUT THE SPIRIT GIVETH LIFE. [7] But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: [8] How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? ROMANS 7 [4] Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. [5] For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. [6] But now we are DELIVERED FROM THE LAW, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should SERVE IN NEWNESS OF SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE OLDNESS OF THE LETTER. As we can see in above scriptures we are now to walk in the spirit of the law. If we walk only in the letter of the law this will lead to death, but if we walk in the spirit of the law this leads to life. MATTHEW 5 [20] For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. [21] Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, THOU SHALT NOT KILL; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: [22] BUT I SAY UNTO YOU, THAT WHOSOEVER IS ANGRY WITH HIS BROTHER WITHOUT A CAUSE SHALL BE IN DANGER OF THE JUDGMENT: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. OLD LETTER- Thou shalt not kill NEW SPIRIT- Don’t even get angry. Call no man a fool. Love one another in thought, word and deed. MATTHEW 5 [27] Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, thou shalt not commit adultery: [28] But i say unto you, that WHOSOEVER LOOKETH ON A WOMAN TO LUST AFTER HER HATH COMMITTED ADULTERY with her already in his heart. OLD LETTER- Thou shalt not commit adultery NEW SPIRIT- Do not look on a woman to lust. Keep the law in our mind and spirit. Even in our eyes. So you can see that Jesus did not do away with the letter of the law. Common sense will tell ya in order to walk in the spirit of the law you must also be walking in the letter. Jesus made the commandments even harder to keep and more honorable. ISAIAH 42 [20] Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.[21] The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; HE WILL MAGNIFY THE LAW, and make it honourable. Yes, Jesus magnified the law. He took the letter of the law (which leads to death) and magnified the law to a spiritual level (which leads to life). 'According to the scriptures Jesus did not do away with the law but made the law greater. He magnified the law to a spiritual level. He made the 10 commandments even harder to keep.' Amen! So much greater! And now . . . it is impossible to keep. We have to live it . . .every day. The Life of God Himself . . .not to be reached by our best efforts. A total rest. . . .in Him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WailingWall Posted February 11, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 458 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 1 Joined: 08/25/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted February 11, 2017 On 2/8/2017 at 11:23 AM, Johan Abrahams said: 'According to the scriptures Jesus did not do away with the law but made the law greater. He magnified the law to a spiritual level. He made the 10 commandments even harder to keep.' Amen! So much greater! And now . . . it is impossible to keep. Always was. Thats where the free gift of grace comes in. We will sin but where sin abounds...GRACE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTC Posted February 12, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 200 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,795 Content Per Day: 0.65 Reputation: 1,502 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/25/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/26/1952 Share Posted February 12, 2017 I was just listening to my Bible cassettes. I don't recall which epistle it was but Paul said don't let anyone judge you on your day of worship. So people where fighting about it 2000 yrs ago and some people still are. I don't think it matters. What matters is fighting about it. We are not to judge each other. We are to love each other as Jesus loved us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WailingWall Posted February 12, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 458 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 1 Joined: 08/25/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted February 12, 2017 2 hours ago, JTC said: I was just listening to my Bible cassettes. I don't recall which epistle it was but Paul said don't let anyone judge you on your day of worship. So people where fighting about it 2000 yrs ago and some people still are. I don't think it matters. What matters is fighting about it. We are not to judge each other. We are to love each other as Jesus loved us. 2 Timothy 3:15-16 (KJV) 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Abrahams Posted February 13, 2017 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 78 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 62 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/02/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 13, 2017 23 hours ago, WailingWall said: 2 Timothy 3:15-16 (KJV) 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: Amen . . .so true brother . . . that was why it was used for "correction" Love Johan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heretoeternity Posted February 14, 2017 Group: Seventh Day Adventist Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 480 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/06/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 14, 2017 Do we make void the law through faith? God forbid. We establish the law...Paul said in Romans 3.31 It is doers of the law that are justified Romans 2.13... The 600+ items in the law of Moses, which Moses wrote ( the sacrificial, circumcision, feast, festival, cleanliness etc law ended in Acts 15 with the exception of the four mentioned). Paul is obviously referring to God's law, the ten commandments which God Himself wrote in Exodus 20 and are the moral law for people to follow, and demonstrate love of God, and love of neighnbour. This is the love of God that we keep His commandments and they are not burdensome 1st John 5.3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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