the scripture of Genesis Water above, and water below the heavens ?

[JohnD]

13 hours ago, Kan said:

It's possible, of course, I was very young at the time, but how would you see the stars and planets through a vapor like on Venus? 

Earth never had vapor like Venus. Earth had water vapor.

How tall were you twenty billion years ago? <-- same sort of question

[OakWood]

9 minutes ago, hmbld said:

easy, east, west, north, south.

How do you create anti-gravity for the satellites we have hovering over earth?

What satellites, the fake ones? Besides, you don't need satellites on a Flat Earth. Radio communications work perfectly well without them.

[JohnD]

After a certain point, antagonists are best ignored once their intent is made clear.

[OakWood]

2 minutes ago, JohnD said:

After a certain point, antagonists are best ignored once their intent is made clear.

I agree, and those who believe in a Globe Earth are antagonistic towards the word of God. They are trying to make a man-made model fit in with scripture and are having to twist scripture in order to do so. To say that the Earth is spinning and moving through space is to deliberately argue against scripture.

A planet that spins on its axis and orbits the Sun along with a number of other planets, and a Sun that is just one of millions is a deliberate attack on the importance of God's creation and reduces us to a mere speck of dust in a vast almost empty vacuum. It's exactly what the Illuminati want us to believe, and by doing so they have caused millions of Christians to lose their faith - the perfect Satanic agenda.

With a Heliocentric globe model theory, then a lot of the Bible makes no sense. The Tower of Babel makes no sense, the book of Jeremiah also contradicts their theories, and the Book of Revelation (where stars fall out of the sky) makes no sense. How can stars that are massive Suns come hurtling towards the Earth from all directions?

No wonder people mock God and call Christians superstitious because the Bible conflicts with so-called science.

When the Soviets and the U.S. launched the first rockets into space they soon discovered that the Earth was flat and that they couldn't breach the dome above us. They've never sent probes to Venus or Mars, that's just smoke and mirrors and fake photography. They've lied to us and covered up the fact that we live under an impenetrable dome and as a result many have lost their faith in God. They now believe in aliens and extra-terrestrials instead - the perfect delusion. Aliens are actually demons but nobody believes that any more.

In the 1950s both the Americans and the Soviets fired nuclear missiles straight up at the sky (they were probably trying to force their way through the firmament but they could not do it). You can read about these missile tests, they are well documented. Why fire missiles up at the sky? Why waste all that money shooting things into Outer Space (so-called Outer Space) unless you are trying to hit a target? They claimed it was just nuclear testing, but again, why straight up into the sky?

They quickly sealed off Antarctica too because they had discovered the wall of the dome and they don't want anybody else to find it. Antarctica is rich in minerals too, petroleum, uranium and so on, but nobody is allowed to mine it. It doesn't make sense. Why are the military of several governments protecting a lifeless, cold wilderness from prying eyes?

They know that we live on a flat Earth beneath a dome and they have lied to us. A steady diet of regular TV and cinema science fiction, Star Trek, Star Wars... and so on has helped to perpetuate the myth.

[hmbld]

It is interesting to think, how many things we have been taught, we end up believing without any "real" proof.  

[hmbld]

10 hours ago, OakWood said:

If the Earth is enclosed under a dome then there has to be an end, but you have to imagine that we live in a snow globe, or imagine us living on the base of a huge planetarium and we are surrounded by a circular wall. The wall is to be found in Antarctica...... so we are surrounded by a land of ice which holds the oceans in and stops us from sailing over the edge....

This is the flat (round) Earth that we live on. You can't sail off the edge because we are surrounded by Antarctica. At the outer edge of Antarctica is the base of the dome of the heavens. Above us is the apex of the dome which is above the North Pole. There is no South Pole.... they have lied to us. A magnetic compass will demonstrate that.

Wouldn't this view make a flight from South America to Australia almost impossible, given planes can only hold so much fuel, passengers would surely know if they passed over ocean, or took a "short cut" by flying over the north pole, flight times reported of 12 to 13 hours would be impossible, every pilot flying international flights would have to understand this proposed flat earth?

[OakWood]

19 minutes ago, hmbld said:

It is interesting to think, how many things we have been taught, we end up believing without any "real" proof.  

Of course, and the Heliocentric model is the biggest hoax ever played on mankind. There's no such thing as Outer Space but they don't want us to know that. If people ever find out the truth then the entire scientific community is discredited. We have believed the lies of cosmologists and theoretical physicists for decades now, but they need us to keep believing in the existence of a vast universe filled with galaxies, black holes, pulsars and quasars.

Why do they need us to believe this? Because without a spinning globe Earth there can be no massive stars made out of fusing hydrogen, and therefore no galaxies, and therefore no Big Bang either - and without the Big Bang there is no Theory of Evolution, and the Theory of Evolution is the biggest block to the truth of God that there is.

Without Outer Space there can be no aliens, and anybody who claims to have been abducted by aliens will be forced to concede that they were confronted by demons, because that's who these so-called extra-terrestrials are - they are demons in disguise. When the antiChrist comes with all his lies and wondrous miracles, many people will think that he is an extra-terrestrial and that aliens are merely more intelligent lifeforms that are more evolved than we are. Hardly anybody will believe in God any more.

[OakWood]

11 minutes ago, hmbld said:

Wouldn't this view make a flight from South America to Australia almost impossible, given planes can only hold so much fuel, passengers would surely know if they passed over ocean, or took a "short cut" by flying over the north pole, flight times reported of 12 to 13 hours would be impossible, every pilot flying international flights would have to understand this proposed flat earth?

Good question. Try to book a flight in the Southern hemisphere and you will find that there are stopovers in places that seem ridiculous on a Globe Earth but make perfect sense on the Flat Earth model. If you book a flight from Cape Town, South Africa to Auckland in New Zealand they make you land in Dubai. It should be a straight line across the Indian Ocean but instead they take you in the wrong direction, northwards to Dubai where you land and then fly southwards towards New Zealand. It doesn't make sense. If you don't believe me try checking these flights for yourself.

Of course if the Earth is flat it makes sense because it's too far to fly from Cape Town straight to Auckland. Stopping at Dubai makes sense because it's more or less a straight line.

There are some very, very unusual things about international flight paths in the so-called Southern Hemisphere. There are some flights that should be non-stop but you just can't get them.

[hmbld]

3 minutes ago, OakWood said:

Of course, and the Heliocentric model is the biggest hoax ever played on mankind. There's no such thing as Outer Space but they don't want us to know that. If people ever find out the truth then the entire scientific community is discredited. We have believed the lies of cosmologists and theoretical physicists for decades now, but they need us to keep believing in the existence of a vast universe filled with galaxies, black holes, pulsars and quasars.

Why do they need us to believe this? Because without a spinning globe Earth there can be no massive stars made out of fusing hydrogen, and therefore no galaxies, and therefore no Big Bang either - and without the Big Bang there is no Theory of Evolution, and the Theory of Evolution is the biggest block to the truth of God that there is.

Without Outer Space there can be no aliens, and anybody who claims to have been abducted by aliens will be forced to concede that they were confronted by demons, because that's who these so-called extra-terrestrials are - they are demons in disguise. When the antiChrist comes with all his lies and wondrous miracles, many people will think that he is an extra-terrestrial and that aliens are merely more intelligent lifeforms that are more evolved than we are. Hardly anybody will believe in God any more.

You are creating all kinds of questions for me here, I am sure its been covered many times before, but if there is no outer space, what do we see through telescopes?  Where does the sun go when night comes?  Why doesn't the sunrise occurs at exactly the same time every morning for the entire earth?  Why can I see satellites "hovering" in the sky if they are not there?

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Just now, hmbld said:

Wouldn't this view make a flight from South America to Australia almost impossible, given planes can only hold so much fuel, passengers would surely know if they passed over ocean, or took a "short cut" by flying over the north pole, flight times reported of 12 to 13 hours would be impossible, every pilot flying international flights would have to understand this proposed flat earth?

I will agree with what Oakwood, has stated , and so 100% I believe him to be correct, I also believe the same, , the evidence, is clear, and the elusion, that was given to believe a lie, is great, I think there has been said what needed to be said, now the details as you asked, a lot goes to what  or how can some one hide something so be in front of our eyes,  and then you have to go to the origin and the root of it, and see that what has happen mainly in the past is how they were able to form conclusions in the future, ?

 I am not a pilot of a plane, but , if it takes 12 hours on a flight to get to some, when and they have given you the miles, on Gps, and the globe in class, and set, the amount of time from point A to point B then we are all set and know how long it takes to get there, simple right ? when you set it and it automatically tells you , then you do not have to figure anything out, and so today we have computors and calculators , and electronics, tied to the main base of sateilites  etc, you don't have to even figure anything in your head any more for there is your phone, and lap top , and of course the air traffic control , and other things to do all the planning for you ,

 heck in school , the kids are not given paper and pencils any more, and not told to really work things out, they are allowed to use calculators  and computors,  everything has gone to electronics, well if you are trying to find some one you have Gps, on star etc, simple, for a designated place and time, in the hands of the public, not what would happen if that was manipulated, and adjusted to say something that is different , would you know it ?

 remember the computors are doing all the work, while we sit on our fat buts, eating hotdogs and drinking beer, and watching football, and living what we call life, , do you get what I just said, ... think about it ,  and if over time, we have our kids focused on electronics , then we miss the real things going on and you will never no real from counter fiet

 thas just a thought , I could be wrong, but I think if you look hard enough !! , this may all make some sense to you ,fact...

 blessings