Young Earth/Old Earth

[Guest shiloh357]

 

1 minute ago, post said:

If ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
(Matthew 11:14) 

Again, not doubting that John the Baptist is Elijah.   But Malachi 4:5 is not connected to that verse.   Malachi 4:5 was not fulfilled by John the Baptist during the lifetime of Jesus.

[Ezra]

2 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

No one is doubting that John the Bapstist.   What has been said is that Malachi 4:5 was not fulfilled by John the Baptist.  There is no NT text that connects that verse with the ministry of John.

Correct. John came in "the spirit and power" of Elijah at the first coming of Christ.  In what sense could John be considered as Elijah?  In turning the hearts of the Jews to Christ, since that will be the ministry of Elijah himself.

But the real Elijah will appear BEFORE the Day of the LORD (the Great Tribulation).  And Moses will appear with him (Revelation 11).  Not sure how this has anything to do with Young Earth/Old Earth but digression seems to be quite prevalent in some threads.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, post said:

‘We played the flute for you, and you did not dance;
    we sang a dirge, and you did not mourn.’

Have you read Justin matyr? Cause you sound a lot like him.

He says that John in like fashion to Christs first coming. Instead of the Glory expected of the David kingdom, he came lowly. they rejected him. Likewise came john in lacking the same expectations comcerning the day of the Lord. therefore they could not recognize him either. But the kingdom advances, and those which do see, do give glory to him in it. He has conquered sin by one sacrifice.

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, Ezra said:

Correct. John came in "the spirit and power" of Elijah at the first coming of Christ.  In what sense could John be considered as Elijah?  In turning the hearts of the Jews to Christ, since that will be the ministry of Elijah himself.

But the real Elijah will appear BEFORE the Day of the LORD (the Great Tribulation).  And Moses will appear with him (Revelation 11).  Not sure how this has anything to do with Young Earth/Old Earth but digression seems to be quite prevalent in some threads.

Maybe the discussion could be moved?

I think it a disturbing trend of all these redo's and rolling the Gospel message foreward............

[Guest shiloh357]

4 minutes ago, post said:

here is every instance of what you are saying should be understood to mean "dying you shall die" 

please explain why every single one is translated as "shall surely" and not a single one is translated as you say. 
((so that we know you're not just arbitrarily using private interpretation to fit your bias)) 
 

Well, what you have in the Hebrew of "you shall surely die" is an imperfect verb.  Imperfect verbs in Greek and Hebrew tend to provide a continuous state of affairs.   A similar example (though not exactly the same) is in John 1:1 where it says, "In the beginning was the Word..."  The word "was"  is an imperfect verb indicating a continuous state of affairs, albeit in that particular case it has no beginning and no end.    But in the imperfect form of "mi-men-t' mot"  in Genesis 2:17 indicates a continuous state of dying.   So that is how it would indicate that there is a process of dying.  So you have the final infinitive following, so that it reads, "dying you shall "die."   That infinitive is where "surely" comes from.   In both English and Hebrew there is an absolute finality to it.  It is a sure thing.  So there is no problem.

[Guest shiloh357]

13 minutes ago, Ezra said:

Correct. John came in "the spirit and power" of Elijah at the first coming of Christ.  In what sense could John be considered as Elijah?  In turning the hearts of the Jews to Christ, since that will be the ministry of Elijah himself.

But the real Elijah will appear BEFORE the Day of the LORD (the Great Tribulation).  And Moses will appear with him (Revelation 11).  Not sure how this has anything to do with Young Earth/Old Earth but digression seems to be quite prevalent in some threads.

Yes, Elijah did not die, so he may return and be one of the witnesses in order to fulfill Malchi 4:5 at that time.

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

es, Elijah did not die, so he may return and be one of the witnesses in order to fulfill Malchi 4:5 at that time.

Shiloh and Ezra....What is so significant about Elijah the man?????????????????????????NOTHING. Elijah or John, matters not. It was the spirit in both of them that was that one and same spirit in them and on them. The flesh matters nothing here.............

 

[enoob57]

Just now, Joline said:

Shiloh and Ezrah....What is so significant about Elijah the man?????????????????????????NOTHING. Elijah or John, matters not. It was the spirit in both of them that was that one and same spirit in them and on them. The flesh matters nothing here.............

 

But God's Word is everything and all will be fulfilled

Heb 9:27

27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
KJV
Love, Steven

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

But God's Word is everything and all will be fulfilled

Heb 9:27

27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
KJV
Love, Steven

The law and the prophets were until JOHN at THAT TIME..........

Why are you all being persuaded to look to a redo of the Gospel?

There are teachings in here of a DUEL fulfillment of the atoning work of Christ Already as it is.....Now a redo of Elijah coming?

There is no redo of the atonement. It was a one time sacrifice for all and all time. It is effective for all. It is powerful for all time....

What our Lord has accomplished is finished.

But false Christs and false prophets will come. And they have already.. Simon bar Giora the leader of the rebellion and slaughter of thousands of Jew's was such a one. And the temple was also destroyed.

Simon bar kochba, another Messiah proclaimed.....Just who was the Elijah which pronounced him?

And you all expect a redo?

[Guest]

21 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

But God's Word is everything and all will be fulfilled

Heb 9:27

27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
KJV
Love, Steven

Yes every promise will come to pass in its DUE TME.

BECAUSE of the Work which ahs been finished in the Gospel. For those persuaded of a redo, of duel atonement being taught here, I ask.

What a bout the Lord's supper?

Does it show his death until he comes..............OR does it show a DEATH until he comes to fulfill atonement again? And now we have the propagation of the very beginning of the Gospel to the Jew's of Elijah coming again...................Some of the teachings here stun me