The problem with sacraments

[Guest shiloh357]

Just now, Joline said:

I am talking about how the Rabbis read the prophets. Where do you give them this jurisdiction of duty?

The Judges in Israel were to decide between two litigants in the law. Just like you and I going before a judge in any courtroom today. The high priest was the supreme justice. He did carry the urim and thumim to decide the matters to difficult for the lower courts.

So where do you give the rabbins the authority to interpret and teach the prophets.

When did I ever say that???  Where did anything I said "give them jurisdiction?"   When did I appeal to the Rabbis??

When did I given them such authority?    Please copy and paste my comments where you found that.

[Guest shiloh357]

1 minute ago, Joline said:

So it is not really oral law then right?

The Oral law is a myth.  There is no Oral law

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

That is all I have been saying. 

No, that is not all you were saying. You added to him a work of fulfillment yet future. It is ok to change your mind on this though.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

5 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

The Oral law is a myth.  There is no Oral law

The Oral law is a myth.  There is no Oral law

Oh ok, I am glad of that. But you see their teachings as tradition then? The Church has had that as well

Do you share their views on those things as having better wisdom than the Church of Christ?

[Guest shiloh357]

Just now, Joline said:

No, that is not all you were saying. You added to him a work of fulfillment yet future. It is ok to change your mind on this though.

I did not add to the work of atonement though, and I made that clear.   In the prophetic scheme of scripture, many prophecies have near and far fulfilments.   There are prophecies that have more than one fulfillment.   The festivals of Israel play double duty, they point to both the first and second comings of Christ.   That is something you evidently don't understand.   Not only that but there is theological concepts and applications in the festivals that apply to the Christian life.   You apparently only see the festivals in one dimension when there is a body of theological truth that is contained in them.

 

 

[Guest Teditis]

8 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

The Oral law is a myth.  There is no Oral law

It's no myth... oral/rabbinical oral law has been in effect for the since before Jesus... He chided the Pharisees for such.

Jews today still follow oral law and extra-biblical teachings... you're making stuff up now

 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

I did not add to the work of atonement though, and I made that clear.   In the prophetic scheme of scripture, many prophecies have near and far fulfilments.   There are prophecies that have more than one fulfillment.   The festivals of Israel play double duty, they point to both the first and second comings of Christ.   That is something you evidently don't understand.   Not only that but there is theological concepts and applications in the festivals that apply to the Christian life.   You apparently only see the festivals in one dimension when there is a body of theological truth that is contained in them.

 

 

No, no, now don't go changing the platform on me. Something coming to fulfillment for individuals or even groups is not the same  as Christ fulfilling something. We were talking about him and what he fulfilled.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Teditis said:

It's no myth... oral/rabbinical oral law has been in effect for the since before Jesus... He chided the Pharisees for such.

Jews today still follow oral law and extra-biblical teachings... you're making stuff up now

 

Well at the least Ted, Pharasaic thought is what they actually distinguish as Jewish thought. they are certainly accepting their views on the prophets to be more authoritative as being correct. I do not know why but that is what HEBREW LENSE, Jewish thought Jewishness etc denotes.

[Guest shiloh357]

2 minutes ago, Teditis said:

It's no myth... oral/rabbinical oral law has been in effect for the since before Jesus... He chided the Pharisees for such.

Jews today still follow oral law and extra-biblical teachings... you're making stuff up now

 

Yes it is a myth.   The Rabbis said that the Oral law was handed down from Moses to Joshua and on down to the present day and that there has been unbroken chain of transmission for the last 4,000 years or so, and that is demonstrably false.  They claim that it is as inspired and more binding than the written Torah.  The ones who started the myth about the Oral were the predecessors to Pharisees known as the Hasidim who are the namesake of the modern Hasidic movement.   But the original Hasidim only date back to about 250 BC.  So that's where the myth got its origin.

[Guest shiloh357]

4 minutes ago, Joline said:

No, no, now don't go changing the platform on me. Something coming to fulfillment for individuals or even groups is not the same  as Christ fulfilling something. We were talking about him and what he fulfilled.

I am not changing the platform.  I am trying to explain that the Festivals speak to a lot more issues in the Bible than you are currently aware of.  They speak to God's prophetic timeline in both the first and second advents of Jesus up to and including the millennial reign of Christ.   They also contain theological truth for our daily lives, as well.   

That is not changing any platform.  I just want to you to see the richness of the truth those festivals contain.