Why The Law?

[Murphy]

11 minutes ago, Joline said:

You are still seeing the heirs as Carnal. All who are in Christ Jesus are heirs. We are walking by faith in the promises now.

Ge 17:4  As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

The carnal commandment has been disannulled in Christ

Heb 7:16  Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

Jews are saved just the same as the Gentiles. The nation of Israel just has not accepted it yet. Only a remnant was saved from the wrath of God, as foretold in the law.

Your translation threw me.......

 

A Superior Priesthood
…15And this point is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, 16one who has become a priest not by a law of succession, but by the power of an indestructible life. 17For it is testified: “You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek.”…

 

 

Transfer of power from the Levitical system to the Hight Priest, Yahshua.

 

 

We see here that the Priesthood will be restored after the return of Messiah (also we see that sacrifices return)

Jeremiah 33

17 “For thus says the Lord: David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel, 18 and the Levitical priests shall never lack a man in my presence to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offerings, and to make sacrifices forever.”

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4 minutes ago, Murphy said:

Your translation threw me.......

 

A Superior Priesthood
…15And this point is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, 16one who has become a priest not by a law of succession, but by the power of an indestructible life. 17For it is testified: “You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek.”…

 

 

Transfer of power from the Levitical system to the Hight Priest, Yahshua.

 

 

We see here that the Priesthood will be restored after the return of Messiah

Jeremiah 33

17 “For thus says the Lord: David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel, 18 and the Levitical priests shall never lack a man in my presence to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offerings, and to make sacrifices forever.”

Yes, superior because the carnal element was weak. The carnal command no longer applies, only the spiritual circumcision of the heart. We are not heirs in Christ according to the law of a carnal command.

Ge 17:13  He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

Heb 7:10  For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

Heb 7:16  Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

[Murphy]

2 minutes ago, Joline said:

Yes, superior because the carnal element was weak. The carnal command no longer applies, only the spiritual circumcision of the heart. We are not heirs in Christ according to the law of a carnal command.

Ge 17:13  He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

Heb 7:10  For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

Heb 7:16  Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

And round and round we go.......

 

 

Here is the bottom line for me......what Yahovah says-

 

 

Jeremiah 31:31
"Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,

Jeremiah 31:33
"But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Hebrews 8:10
This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord. I will put My laws in their minds, and inscribe them on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people.

 

Hebrews 10:16
"This is the covenant I will make with them after those days, says the Lord. I will put My Laws in their hearts and inscribe them on their minds."

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8 minutes ago, Murphy said:

And round and round we go.......

 

 

Here is the bottom line for me......what Yahovah says-

 

 

Jeremiah 31:31
"Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,

Jeremiah 31:33
"But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Hebrews 8:10
This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord. I will put My laws in their minds, and inscribe them on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people.

 

Hebrews 10:16
"This is the covenant I will make with them after those days, says the Lord. I will put My Laws in their hearts and inscribe them on their minds."

Well God spoke through the apostles. But a more serious question for you is,,,,Where do you find your interpretation of Israe'ls future in Moses law? God prophesied to Moses in the law, how can you interpret those prophesies contrariwise?

[Murphy]

12 minutes ago, Joline said:

Well God spoke through the apostles. But a more serious question for you is,,,,Where do you find your interpretation of Israe'ls future in Moses law? God prophesied to Moses in the law, how can you interpret those prophesies contrariwise?

Moses was the 'friend of the bridegroom'.

Something you'll have to study, and it gets graphic, don't know what will be allowed here....?

 

John takes the place of Moses in the NT.......John 3:29

John 3:29Jubilee Bible 2000 (JUB)

²⁹ He that has the bride is the bridegroom, but the friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice; this my joy therefore is fulfilled.

 

Don't really know what you are asking......I interpret nothing........I dig.

 

 

 

Edit.......bold.......study that.

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16 minutes ago, Murphy said:

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Moses was the 'friend of the bridegroom'.

Something you'll have to study, and it gets graphic, don't know what will be allowed here....?

 

John takes the place of Moses in the NT.......John 3:29

 

 

Don't really know what you are asking......I interpret nothing........I dig.

Here is what I am asking concerning interpreting..........................

Mt 11:13  For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

The law contains prophesies Murphy. Just a few examples

De 31:21  And it shall come to pass, when many evils and troubles are befallen them, that this song shall testify against them as a witness; for it shall not be forgotten out of the mouths of their seed: for I know their imagination which they go about, even now, before I have brought them into the land which I sware.

De 28:36  The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.

De 31:16  And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them.

De 31:20  For when I shall have brought them into the land which I sware unto their fathers, that floweth with milk and honey; and they shall have eaten and filled themselves, and waxen fat; then will they turn unto other gods, and serve them, and provoke me, and break my covenant.
 

How can you interpret the prophets contrary to the law here? Covenants are not to be added to, nor taken away from. Therefore, I asked you to align your prophetic utterances, to the covenant you are assigning them to.

[Murphy]

16 minutes ago, Joline said:

Here is what I am asking concerning interpreting..........................

Mt 11:13  For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

The law contains prophesies Murphy. Just a few examples

De 31:21  And it shall come to pass, when many evils and troubles are befallen them, that this song shall testify against them as a witness; for it shall not be forgotten out of the mouths of their seed: for I know their imagination which they go about, even now, before I have brought them into the land which I sware.

De 28:36  The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.

De 31:16  And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them.

De 31:20  For when I shall have brought them into the land which I sware unto their fathers, that floweth with milk and honey; and they shall have eaten and filled themselves, and waxen fat; then will they turn unto other gods, and serve them, and provoke me, and break my covenant.
 

How can you interpret the prophets contrary to the law here? Covenants are not to be added to, nor taken away from. Therefore, I asked you to align your prophetic utterances, to the covenant you are assigning them to.

That's right, and FEW will be saved, and many will perish. The first generation (first born) led out of Egypt were not saved, will not receive salvation.

Some are cursed.

Some have chosen their demise.

 

If that is your point? that God is not fair? No, he's not, not by man's judgment, God is Just.

[WordSword]

3 hours ago, Ezra said:

The Law pronounces each one of us as "Guilty!"

 

Especially concerning the law of God to all (Gen 3:16, 17), because the law of Moses was only to Israel. Thanks for your input. 

[Murphy]

2 hours ago, Word-Sword said:

Especially concerning the law of God to all (Gen 3:16, 17), because the law of Moses was only to Israel. Thanks for your input. 

Yes, that is the point, we are all guilty.

Satan stands before the Throne of Yahovah and accuses you day and night-

 

Revelation 12:10

Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: "Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.
 

 

Upon your Judgement, Satan is your accuser, admit your guilt and throw yourself upon the mercy of Messiah.

 

 

 

 

Zechariah 3:1
Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to accuse him.

Luke 22:31
Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift each of you like wheat.

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober-minded and alert. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.
 

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[WordSword]

9 hours ago, Murphy said:

Yes, that is the point, we are all guilty.

 

But for the believer it is "was guilty."