missmuffet Posted May 25, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,995 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,692 Content Per Day: 11.70 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2016 9 minutes ago, Mateo said: I know what I've written. I see no error in it as far as doctrine is concerned. So it might be that you a baring a false witness? Please be careful Maybe you should pray to God and ask Him to search your heart. God gave us free will and you have a choice. But you will see it in your judgment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateo Posted May 25, 2016 Group: Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 331 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 117 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/12/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2016 Just now, bopeep1909 said: Maybe you should pray to God and ask Him to search your heart. God gave us free will and you have a choice. But you will see it in your judgment. I will not argue with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted May 25, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,995 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,692 Content Per Day: 11.70 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2016 1 minute ago, Mateo said: I will not argue with you. God Bless you. I hope you see the truth in all of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateo Posted May 25, 2016 Group: Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 331 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 117 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/12/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2016 8 minutes ago, bopeep1909 said: God Bless you. I hope you see the truth in all of this. 2 John 1: 10 "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into yourhouse, neither bid him God speed" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted May 25, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.07 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2016 36 minutes ago, bopeep1909 said: All of the born again Christians on Worthy have to post the truth. The true literal Word of God MG. No we should not call names because that is not the way God wants us to get His Word across to others. But we have to get out the True Word of God. That is very important. Did Jesus get out His word by insulting others? Nope. We SHOULD give the word to everyone but we don't have to name call to do that. The True Word contains no insults whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeavesSeeds Posted May 25, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 187 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 152 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/09/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2016 In the NT, (OT too?) , many people were /felt/ insulted by Jesus, and just as He said they would be. from just a quick one minute search online >> (basically, just read 3 to 10 chapters in the NT, and there are people insulted/ offended by Jesus and by His disciples, just like today everywhere) Jesus Offends People: The Gospel Accounts: A Chronological ... The Gospel Accounts: ... Jesus Offends People. ... The disciples should not concern themselves that the Pharisees were offended by Jesus' teaching. They were blind ... [Search domain lavistachurchofchrist….. More results Oh, You Offended Me! - Hillcrest church of Christ ... "Oh, you offended me! ... So, why were the people Jesus came in contract with caused displeasure, ... They were offended by the things He (Jesus) ... [Search domain hillcrestchurchofchrist. On Being Offended - Call to Obedience On Being Offended By Reimar Schultze ... Pharisees did when they were offended by Jesus. Oh, what all people have missed, what healings for their bodies, ... [Search domain schultze.org/215pdf.pdf Matthew 13:57 And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to ... Matthew 13:57 >>> They were offended by him. But Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor, except in his own country, and in his own house." [Search domain biblehub.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted May 25, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.32 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2016 12 hours ago, Mateo said: The Issue comes when we read in Genisis 1:2 that the water was already there. So I can see how someone can say. "God didn't create water" especially when you think the earth is young. Let's begin with why the earth is young. The Ten Commandments were literally carved out by the finger of God, and in them we are clearly told "For in SIX DAYS the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is..." (Exodus 20:11). That one statement -- in the unchanging Ten Commandments -- conclusively establishes that there was no creation before the six day creation of Genesis. This is literally carved in stone. Now when you read "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth", we need to understand what God meant by "the earth". 1. It was without form (the spherical shape may have be constructed immediately thereafter, but "without form" or formless (Heb tohu) implies similarity to a lump of clay before the potter begins working on it. 2. It had no features or inhabitants ("void" -- Heb bohu). 3. It was totally covered with water. 4. The dry land was under the water. So the water was an intrinsic part of the earth when it was created out of nothing. In view of this, the Gap Theory is pure conjecture. It would imply that there was man before man (or angels before angels), and death before death. Our goal should not be to try and reconcile evolution with Scripture, but take Scripture in its plain literal sense (which was the case until Darwin came along). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateo Posted May 25, 2016 Group: Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 331 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 117 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/12/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2016 3 minutes ago, Ezra said: Let's begin with why the earth is young. The Ten Commandments were literally carved out by the finger of God, and in them we are clearly told "For in SIX DAYS" the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is..." (Exodus 20:11). That one statement -- in the unchanging Ten Commandments -- conclusively establishes that there was no creation before the six day creation of Genesis. This is literally carved in stone. Now when you read "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth", we need to understand what God meant by "the earth". 1. It was without form (the spherical shape may have be constructed immediately thereafter, but "without form" or formless (Heb tohu) implies similarity to a lump of clay before the potter begins working on it. 2. It had no features or inhabitants ("void -- Heb bohu). 3. It was totally covered with water. 4. The dry land was under the water. So the water was an intrinsic part of the earth when it was created out of nothing. In view of this, the Gap Theory is pure conjecture. It would imply that there was man before man (or angels before angels), and death before death. Our goal should not be to try and reconcile evolution with Scripture, but take Scripture in its plain literal sense (which was the case until Darwin came along). I believe in a literal 6 days, yet I still believe the earth is old. As in the "rock" we live on. I do not believe nor do I need to reconcile Darwinian Evolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavedOnebyGrace Posted May 25, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,059 Content Per Day: 13.14 Reputation: 5,193 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/30/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2016 9 minutes ago, Ezra said: Let's begin with why the earth is young. The Ten Commandments were literally carved out by the finger of God, and in them we are clearly told "For in SIX DAYS" the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is..." (Exodus 20:11). That one statement -- in the unchanging Ten Commandments -- conclusively establishes that there was no creation before the six day creation of Genesis. This is literally carved in stone. Now when you read "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth", we need to understand what God meant by "the earth". 1. It was without form (the spherical shape may have be constructed immediately thereafter, but "without form" or formless (Heb tohu) implies similarity to a lump of clay before the potter begins working on it. 2. It had no features or inhabitants ("void -- Heb bohu). 3. It was totally covered with water. 4. The dry land was under the water. So the water was an intrinsic part of the earth when it was created out of nothing. In view of this, the Gap Theory is pure conjecture. It would imply that there was man before man (or angels before angels), and death before death. Our goal should not be to try and reconcile evolution with Scripture, but take Scripture in its plain literal sense (which was the case until Darwin came along). Do you intentionally try to provoke those of us who believe in an old Earth? Why do you constantly try to promote discord in the body of Christ? Do you get some perverse thrill out of intentionally ignoring our responses to your nonsense? Just wonderin'. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted May 25, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.32 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2016 7 minutes ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said: Do you intentionally try to provoke those of us who believe in an old Earth? Why do you constantly try to promote discord in the body of Christ? Do you get some perverse thrill out of intentionally ignoring our responses to your nonsense? Just wonderin'. Carry on. There was no old earth nonsense before Darwin came along. So if you wish to talk about promoting discord, put the blame where it belongs. "Most of the Church Fathers interpreted Genesis 1 in a plain and straightforward way, as actual history. The six days were 24-hour days. Ephraim (Ephrem) the Syrian (306–373) and Basil of Caesarea (329–379) argued for the literal sense of Scripture against the distortions of allegory. Basil said twenty-four hours fill up the space of one day. Even Ambrose of Milan (330–397), mentor of Augustine, believed each day consisted of twenty-four hours, including both day and night. In addition to this, the Fathers believed that the earth was less than 6,000 years old." https://answersingenesis.org/christianity/church/the-early-church-on-creation/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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