Breakdown of all the end times timeframes in sequence

[Kan]

Revelation covers the time from John to the return of Christ, and the end of the thousand years.

[Diaste]

I'm not sure anyone can know a detailed timeline. Jesus gives us one in Matt 24, but it's an overview. I think the timeline can be known from Rev but it's not easy to see. Computing an exact timeline backed by scripture is pretty sketchy. It looks as though there will be as many results as there are people who have read Rev!

I would venture that none in this thread are correct in toto. Do I have a timeline? Only from Matt 24 and then a few interesting things I have seen in Rev. 

Rev 6, The Sixth Seal: The coming of Jesus and the Wrath of God.

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Rev 11, The Seventh Trumpet: The coming of Jesus and the Wrath of God

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Rev 16, The Seventh Bowl: Wrath of God

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

Conclusion?

When I first noticed this many years ago I was stunned. I was taught something very different. I was also confused as to how all these events we see in Rev could converge to a single point, likely based on my deeply ingrained linear thinking. Fact is seals, trumpets and bowls are all related and occur in conjunction. Seals are opened in order, 1-7, trumpets sound in the same order, and bowls are emptied likewise, but from the above scripture we can see these symbolic events(seals, trumps and vials) are closely related. This means that the 1st trump is not the eighth of 21 linear events. The 1st bowl is not the 15th out of 21 in a line of successive occurrences. It's quite plausible that trumps are sounding from the get go. Can we say it's impossible that all the seals are opened and the events they represent do not occur instantly, but rather begin and gain momentum until fruition?

The first 4 seals are continuing events. The riders ride on the earth till who knows when, maybe right to the 2nd coming and after. The 5th is the result of continuing events, The 2nd coming in the 6th seal is a single event that has continuing ramifications right to the end of the week. Obviously the trumps must sound during the conditions the seals released. Further, the 7th trump is when the elect are gathered( this must be as the 7th trump is 'thy wrath is come' and the elect are gathered before wrath falls) The 7th trump must then occur between the 5th and 6th seal, or at the 6th seal, as the 6th seal is also the wrath of God, i.e. 'for the great day of his wrath is come, and who is able to stand?' and the elect must be gathered before the Wrath of God falls on the earth.

 

Edited June 2, 2016 by Diaste

[missmuffet]

On 6/1/2016 at 10:36 PM, Ezra said:

Those diagrams confine the seals to the Tribulation and the Great Tribulation.  But a careful comparison of the Olivet Discourse with the first five seals shows that they were opened immediately and have been operational since the first century.   Only the sixth and seventh seals are future.

I never did get an answer from Ezra regarding my question asking him if he thought the seals 1 thru 5 have already happened and are not future.

[WilliamL]

18 minutes ago, bopeep1909 said:

I never did get an answer from Ezra regarding my question asking him if he thought the seals 1 thru 5 have already happened and are not future.

The answer is in his post which you quoted: "the first five seals ... were opened immediately and have been operational since the first century." That is, they have been in effect since then, and still are in effect.

Which, to be clear, is not something I accept.

[missmuffet]

3 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

The answer is in his post which you quoted: "the first five seals ... were opened immediately and have been operational since the first century." That is, they have been in effect since then, and still are in effect.

Which, to be clear, is not something I accept.

I do not Believe the Bible teaches that. They are in the future seven year tribulation.

[Ezra]

41 minutes ago, bopeep1909 said:

I never did get an answer from Ezra regarding my question asking him if he thought the seals 1 thru 5 have already happened and are not future.

Since you probably failed to compare the first five seals with the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24), you missed the answer.

FIRST SEAL

2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

SECOND SEAL

3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. 4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom

 THIRD SEAL

5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. 6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

and there shall be famines,

FOURTH SEAL

7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. 8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.

FIFTH SEAL

9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as theywere, should be fulfilled.

Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

[missmuffet]

11 minutes ago, Ezra said:

Since you probably failed to compare the first five seals with the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24), you missed the answer.

Please confirm your answer. Do you feel that the seals are history or are they still to happen in the future?

[Ezra]

5 minutes ago, bopeep1909 said:

Please confirm your answer. Do you feel that the seals are history or are they still to happen in the future?

Please see above.

[missmuffet]

1 minute ago, Ezra said:

Please see above.

That does not answer my question. Do you feel that the seals that are mentioned in Revelation are history and have already happened or are they still future?

[Omegaman 3.0]

On 6/2/2016 at 3:20 AM, Kan said:

One day in vision time is symbolic of one year. Without this key the prophecy remains closed.

I see in Daniel 9, where it says that Messiah will be cut of after the 69 weeks, where are you getting the extra half week from?

"Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.