Jesus abolished principle "Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth."?

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18 hours ago, bopeep1909 said:

Paul further declares, “Actually, then, it is already a defeat for you, that you have lawsuits with one another. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be defrauded?” (1 Corinthians 6:7). The thing Paul is concerned with here is the testimony of the believer. It would be far better for us to be taken advantage of, or even abused, than it would be for us to push a person even further away from Christ by taking him/her to court. Which is more important—a legal battle or the battle for a person’s eternal soul?

http://www.gotquestions.org/lawsuits-suing.html

I see this as referring to taking a case before unbelievers. Better to be wronged than do that................

[Ogner]

36 minutes ago, Joline said:

I see this as referring to taking a case before unbelievers. Better to be wronged than do that................

Better to be wronged than.........  justice, when it is done?

[Esther4:14]

Technically, to love your neighbor as yourself is the same teaching as eye for eye if you think about it.  If the law says eye for eye and tooth for tooth and you love your neighbor as you love yourself, how does the law of eye for eye apply.  It could be that Jesus corrected the way the law was being taught at the time.  More than likely, to love your neighbor as yourself fulfills the law saying eye for eye.  

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them," (Matthew 5:17).  

" But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. " (Galatians 5:22-23).  

In other words, the law of eye for eye has been fulfilled.  

[LeavesSeeds]

yes ogner, from man's point of view the martyrs abiding in Jesus do not seek 'justice'(for themselves) or even what they are rightfully due.

that's one reason believers living Jesus life were called "simpletons" (and still are where they can be seen today).

On 5/31/2016 at 4:56 PM, Ogner said:

Better to be wronged than.........  justice, when it is done?

 

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On ‎5‎/‎31‎/‎2016 at 2:56 PM, Ogner said:

Better to be wronged than.........  justice, when it is done?

Better to be wronged than to judge by the law. Because ,With what measure you judge you will be judged and those that live by the law will be judged by the same. Issues between members of the Church should keep it within the Church...That is how I see it.

[LeavesSeeds]

Do you want Righteousness?  Justice ? Truth?

Jesus says don't condemn another.  (that kind of judging is what He says not to do).

Jesus also says , IN THE BODY, to judge one another righteously, in order not to be judged later (and more for another thread, later, God Willing).

IN THE BODY,  it is by God's WORD, by the LAW, God's Law given to us for this purpose, that we judge righteously, just as Jesus does and tells us.

i.e. do not ignore the law. The Law is Perfect and Just.

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1 minute ago, LeavesSeeds said:

Do you want Righteousness?  Justice ? Truth?

Jesus says don't condemn another.  (that kind of judging is what He says not to do).

Jesus also says , IN THE BODY, to judge one another righteously, in order not to be judged later (and more for another thread, later, God Willing).

IN THE BODY,  it is by God's WORD, by the LAW, God's Law given to us for this purpose, that we judge righteously, just as Jesus does and tells us.

i.e. do not ignore the law. The Law is Perfect and Just.

We are given the procedures of how to deal with issues among ourselves. We are to first go to the individual, then if they will not hear you, you take two or three witnesses, if they still will not hear you, then you are to take it before the entire church....There were those that were even put out of the Church.

We are not to judge by the law, lest we be judged by it. The law brings wrath, and it is not of faith. That truth makes the law neither unjust, unholy, nor bad.

[Ogner]

On 02.06.2016 at 7:17 AM, LeavesSeeds said:

yes ogner, from man's point of view the martyrs abiding in Jesus do not seek 'justice'(for themselves) or even what they are rightfully due.

that's one reason believers living Jesus life were called "simpletons" (and still are where they can be seen today).

 

Jesus never taught this.

In Matthew 5:21,22 Jesus said: "who is angry with a brother will be subjected to judgment. And whoever insults a brother will be brought before the council, and whoever says ‘Fool’ will be sent to fiery hell.".

"will be sent to fiery hell." this means put him to death.

God, through the prophet Jeremiah and David stated: 

Jeremiah 22:3 "Thus says the Lord: Do justice and righteousness, and deliver from the hand of the oppressor him who has been robbed. And do no wrong or violence to the alien, the fatherless, and the widow, nor shed innocent blood in this place.".

Jeremiah 22:26 "He judged the cause of the poor and needy; then it was well. Is not this to know me? says the Lord.".

Psalm 82:3,4 "Judge the poor and fatherless: Do justice to the afflicted and destitute. Rescue the poor and needy: Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked.".

And  Matthew 7:1,2 Jesus say: "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

If you choose not to judge righteous judgment others you will be judged with the same measure you use.

Because we must John: 7:24: "Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment." 

More generally Jesus say, "Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.  If you do not judge others, your heavenly Father will not be judge between you and your abuser. When people take a neutral stand between you and your abuser, they are in effect abandoning you. If you do not judge others, and you will not be judged. And that's bad. "

Jesus say, better  justice, when it is done than......... to be wronged.

Edited June 3, 2016 by Ogner

[Ogner]

24 minutes ago, Joline said:

Better to be wronged than to judge by the law. Because ,With what measure you judge you will be judged and those that live by the law will be judged by the same. Issues between members of the Church should keep it within the Church...That is how I see it.

Better to be wronged than to judge by the God's law?

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1 minute ago, Ogner said:

Better to be wronged than to judge by the God's law?

We have the law of Christ. The passage in question concerns issues among the body of Christ. If an individual does not repent after the entire Church judges them guilty, they can be put outside the Church.

1Co 5:5  To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
1Co 7:5  Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.

This in my opinon, is what Jesus spoke of when he said an eye for an eye. It is better to cut off a member than the entire body be destroyed.

We are all members of one another in Christ.

 

 

 

 

This in my opinion