Brexit - the meaning of.

[Marilyn C]

11 hours ago, ghtan said:

Maybe Britain is the Rev 13 beast's head that will seem to have a mortal wound but which will be healed.

Hi ghtan,

That is not so far fetched - I personally believe that Britain - Lion & the USA - Eagle, as the `spokesperson` of the world, will continue to do so.

`Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, & his mouth like the mouth of a lion.` (Rev. 13: 2)

So with the contemporary view you have -

1. the body like a leopard - The EU`s economic philosophy of free trade accepted across the world.

2. the feet like a bear - what was left of Russia after the 3 WW.

3. the mouth of a lion - the mouth piece of the global government - Britain (& USA.)

 

Marilyn.

 

[Revelation Man]

1 hour ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Revelation Man,

You said `we have to get to a Rome centric EU.` However what if that view is wrong.

regards, Marilyn.

The book of Daniel says the Little Horn arises out of the Fourth Beast. I can't be wrong. because the bible is never wrong. I did an in depth study, and it seems to me the Anti-Christ arises out of two Kingdoms, Greece is where he is born, but he gains his power in the European Union. Daniel 7 says the Little Horn/Beast arises out of the Fourth Beast. Daniel 8 says he arises out of one of the four generals that stood up in Alexanders stead.

 

So he arises out of two places/Kingdoms. This confused me, then I understood, one of the Four Generals (Cassander) ruled Greece, and Greece was in the European Union. I usually do not take positions on scriptural things until I feel the lead of the Holy Spirit. 

[ghtan]

1 hour ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi ghtan,

That is not so far fetched - I personally believe that Britain - Lion & the USA - Eagle, as the `spokesperson` of the world, will continue to do so.

`Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, & his mouth like the mouth of a lion.` (Rev. 13: 2)

So with the contemporary view you have -

1. the body like a leopard - The EU`s economic philosophy of free trade accepted across the world.

2. the feet like a bear - what was left of Russia after the 3 WW.

3. the mouth of a lion - the mouth piece of the global government - Britain (& USA.)

 

Marilyn.

 

Hi Marilyn,

I would not go so far as to associate every feature of the beast with a country. However, the head with a mortal wound is surely to represent someone or some country. I still think it is a person (king/leader) but with end-time prophecy one cannot be dogmatic and so I would not dismiss the possibility that it represents a kingdom. If latter, it would make sense for it to be a major world power. Britain can fit the bill. With brexit, the UK seems to be spiraling downwards into total disunity (=mortal wound) but someone may arise who will bring about an unlikely healing. It's anyone's guess. 

[Marilyn C]

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The book of Daniel says the Little Horn arises out of the Fourth Beast. I can't be wrong. because the bible is never wrong. I did an in depth study, and it seems to me the Anti-Christ arises out of two Kingdoms, Greece is where he is born, but he gains his power in the European Union. Daniel 7 says the Little Horn/Beast arises out of the Fourth Beast. Daniel 8 says he arises out of one of the four generals that stood up in Alexanders stead.

 

So he arises out of two places/Kingdoms. This confused me, then I understood, one of the Four Generals (Cassander) ruled Greece, and Greece was in the European Union. I usually do not take positions on scriptural things until I feel the lead of the Holy Spirit. 

Hi Revelation Man,

I see what you are saying, however I see it as 4 kingdoms & the A/C arises out of one of them - the Middle East.  I do however see that the EU will give rise to the false prophet who has a two fold office - religion & economics.

So we`ll just have to watch & see what happens with the BrExit, ay.

Marilyn.

 

[Marilyn C]

3 hours ago, ghtan said:

Hi Marilyn,

I would not go so far as to associate every feature of the beast with a country. However, the head with a mortal wound is surely to represent someone or some country. I still think it is a person (king/leader) but with end-time prophecy one cannot be dogmatic and so I would not dismiss the possibility that it represents a kingdom. If latter, it would make sense for it to be a major world power. Britain can fit the bill. With brexit, the UK seems to be spiraling downwards into total disunity (=mortal wound) but someone may arise who will bring about an unlikely healing. It's anyone's guess. 

Hi ghtan,

Actually the `beasts` are, I believe, great power blocs & not just a country. They are called today as part of the `Big four,` or the `quartet of power.` Now I do agree with you that the head with the mortal wound is a person, the A/C.

Again, we`ll all be watching closely the BrExit.

Marilyn.

[Revelation Man]

3 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Revelation Man,

I see what you are saying, however I see it as 4 kingdoms & the A/C arises out of one of them - the Middle East.  I do however see that the EU will give rise to the false prophet who has a two fold office - religion & economics.

So we`ll just have to watch & see what happens with the BrExit, ay.

Marilyn.

 

I wrote a blog on this a while back, I will just post that and you can better see the understanding the Holy Spirit gave to me, God doesn't reveal all things to all people, we as a body have to depend on each other, of course there are false teachers we have to be aware of. But to one He give understanding(s) to another healing(S) etc. etc. We all have our gifts. To different people understanding(s) if different subjects even.  But Daniel 7 is very clear, the Anti-Christ arises out of the Fourth Beast, so much so that I barely spoke on it in my blog. But most don't think that Daniel 8 is also about the Anti-Christ, else how can he arise from the Fourth Beast and then one of the Four Generals, they do gymnastics and say it must be Antiochus.

The Birth Place of the Anti-Christ Revealed

Isaiah says the Anti-Christ is an Assyrian.The Anti-Christ is said to come to power via the fourth beast in the last days per Daniel Chapter Seven. The Anti-Christ is also said to arise out of the Grecian empire in the last days, so how do we reconcile these different understandings ?

This is established fairly easily, Daniel did say the understandings would be bound up until the end. The Anti-Christ in Daniel chapters seven and eight is shown, if read properly, to arise out of two kingdoms at once, but how can this be ?

Daniel chapter seven is fairly straightforward, we understand this to be about the four beast systems, the fourth beast is where the little horn (Anti-Christ) will arise out of, most everyone understands the fourth beast to have been Rome, but in the last days/end times this has to be the European Union.

Now Daniel chapter eight is explained in detail by Gabriel the angel, was the he goat (Alexander the Great) conquering Persia ( the Ram ) and Gabriel interpreted this dream for Daniel.

Daniel 8:19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

 We should note, this is speaking of the end time, it is not speaking of Antiochus who came before Jesus was even born. The word Indignation means: ( Greek Word za'am meaning Gods Fury at Sin) so at the Last End of Indignation means right before Gods Judgment of Sin/Vials or Bowls of Gods Wrath (Revelation).

20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia. 21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king. 22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power. ( The Four Generals that stood up in Alexanders stead were Ptolemy , Seleucus , Cassander and Lysimachus. )

23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

This is clearly speaking about the end times/last days when the sins have come full/ bowls of Gods wrath, a fierce king shall arise out of one of the four kingdoms that stood up in Alexander the Greats Stead, speaking dark sentences (understanding Riddles and conundrums) and he comes to power. 

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: (Satan Possesses him) and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. 25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, (he claims to Be God) and by peace shall destroy many:(Through a Peace Treaty he deceives many) he shall also stand up against the Prince (Jesus) of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

 Jesus destroys the Anti-Christ his kings and their armies without hand ( with the Sword of the Spirit/Holy Spirit) by the countenance of his coming, Amen. This guy magnifies himself and says in the temple of God, I am God !! 

Now,  so many people say this is about Antiochus, so I always feel the need to prove that this is about the end times, when Gods wrath is come full. This is about the little horn/Anti-Christ. And he arises out of their kingdom in the last days,  so in essence he arises out of one of the Four Generals kingdoms in the last days, but which one ? Well, since the Anti-Christ arises out of the fourth beast also, then this other Kingdom has to lie within the borders of the European Union. Only Cassander's kingdom of Greece is in the European Union !! The "Assyrian" arising from Greece would be very, very possible since Greece shares a border with Turkey, and many, many Turks live in Greece, so the Assyrian Anti-Christ is born in Greece, and comes to power in Greece, then in the European Union. But what does John say in Revelation about the Beast that arises out of the Sea ? By the way, he was on Patmos, a small Greek Island when he saw this vision.

Rev. 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

The Main body is described by John as like a leopard !!

Put it all together, the "Assyrian" Anti-Christ is born in Greece, of Turkish parents or grandparents , he comes to power in the European Union.

This is where the Anti-Christ is from.  

 

My 2 Cents.............God Bless

[Revelation Man]

7 hours ago, ghtan said:

Hi Marilyn,

I would not go so far as to associate every feature of the beast with a country. However, the head with a mortal wound is surely to represent someone or some country. I still think it is a person (king/leader) but with end-time prophecy one cannot be dogmatic and so I would not dismiss the possibility that it represents a kingdom. If latter, it would make sense for it to be a major world power. Britain can fit the bill. With brexit, the UK seems to be spiraling downwards into total disunity (=mortal wound) but someone may arise who will bring about an unlikely healing. It's anyone's guess. 

I used to think it was a person, God has not totally told me otherwise on this yet, but since I wrote a blog about the Seven Heads and Ten Horns, God it seems is leading me towards the Nation is wounded side instead of the person wounded. Here is why. The Seven Heads and the 10 horns of the Beast is basically explained  Rev. 17, the same Seven headed, Ten horn beast is spoken of in Rev. 17, then explained, if we look very close and don't get confused by one word.

⁹ And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

¹⁰ And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

¹¹ And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

¹² And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

 Like I said, I am still not 100 percent on if it is a person or country/Head of the Beast that is Healed, here is why.............and here is my understanding. The Seven Heads are Seven Mountains........Why are they Mountains here, but right below Seven Kings are spoke of ? There is a logical explanation here, the word used for Mountain here is OROS 3735 from oro, and it means to rise or rear up/lifting itself above the plain.  This word could be used for a ruler, who RISES UP, lifts himself up above all, in Daniel he says the Anti-Christ will magnify himself above all, so the Seven Heads here, imho, are Seven Mountains (SEVEN RULERS) and I think the very next verse shows this to be the case...........The very next verse names the Seven Rulers/Kings, saying Five have Fallen, ONE IS (Rome at Johns time of course), and the other (Anti-Christ) is not yet come.  Then we see the 8th King who takes over for the 7th King, of course the 8th King is Satan and he possesses the 7th King, the Ant-Christ at the 42 month mark.

 

So the question is, does the Anti-Christ get killed, and then Satan revives him, and possesses him, or is the Seventh Head of the Beast revived. The Six Heads are Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome (Egypt and Assyria is the thought on those that came before Daniel) that being Six, then the Anti-Christ and the Ten Horns are the Seventh Head. So is the Seventh Head/Kingdom dealt a blow (is that the European Union falling apart, then being Revived).......Or is it the Anti-Christ being killed and Revived by Satan who revives him supernaturally and possesses him ? I am still not 100 percent sure. The Reason being the Anti-Christ is a "Little Horn" showing him to have GREAT POWER as of a nation by himself, and the 10 Kings give their power to the Beast, so he himself might be Considered a Head.  But we know it is one of the Heads that is wounded.  So I am not Sure, but I am sure one of the Seven Heads is wounded. 

 

God Bless.

 

[Last Daze]

11 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Last Daze,

Glad you read the contemporary view. Always good to check how each view is actually coming about.

BTW the 4 winds, spirits of heaven, need not be evil angels. Look at Zechariah -

`And the angel answered & said to me, " These are four spirits of heaven, who go out from their station before the Lord of all the earth. ` (Zech. 6: 5)

regards, Marilyn.

The 4 winds stir up the great sea that the 4 beasts come out of.  I don't see them as being the same.

Looking at Rev 13 & 17 its plausible that the sea is a reference to the abyss.

[Marilyn C]

11 hours ago, Last Daze said:

The 4 winds stir up the great sea that the 4 beasts come out of.  I don't see them as being the same.

Looking at Rev 13 & 17 its plausible that the sea is a reference to the abyss.

Hi Last Daze,

Might be good to do a thread on that some time. That is, the relationship between Dan. 7,  Zech. 6 & Rev. 6.

Marilyn.

[Marilyn C]

Hi Revelation Man,

I do agree with you that the A/C is the one spoken of in Dan. 8: 23 - 25), plus him being the Assyrian. However as I have said previously I believe he comes out of the area of the North.

Daniel 11 shows the course of world history involving continual warfare between two great Empires, the legacy of Alexander the Great. The Seleucid Dynasty identified as Assyria, the King of the North, & the Ptolomaic Dynasty, the King of the South, ie. Egypt including Libya. At the `time of the end` these two areas would again return to the focus of world attention. Each contending for key leadership of the Arab countries, to be recognised as the Moslem Messiah.

So some things we see the same & some different. We`ll just keep watching & sharing,

regards, Marilyn.