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  1. ghtan

    The Measuring of the Temple

    Whatever John is meant to prophesy again, the point is that we are not told what it is. It may be the rest of Revelation but that is an interpretation. Your contention was that we are not told the measurement of the temple. Hence there is no difference; we need to interpret both. I think it is obvious John intends the temple literally. First, 'temple' elsewhere in Revelation is always literal. Second, a measuring rod is always used to measure literal distances (see esp 21:15). Third, the altar always furnishes a literal temple in Rev. I don’t think John can make it any more plain. If we spiritualise the temple, we also have to spiritualise the measuring rod, the altar, the outer court, etc.. The more things that are spiritualised, the more forced and less convincing the interpretation becomes. Btw, why not spiritualise the 42 months and the two witnesses too? Not doing so makes the choice arbitrary and again raises the question of consistency.
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    The Measuring of the Temple

    Are we told what John is to prophesy again in 10:11? If the temple were the body of Christ, are we told its 'measurement'?
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    The Measuring of the Temple

    So are the war, famine and plague in ch 6 but each is preceded by the opening of seals in heaven.
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    The Measuring of the Temple

    How would equating the temple in verse 1 with the temple in heaven conflict with that interpretation of verse 2?
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    The Measuring of the Temple

    How do you interpret 11:2?
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    The Measuring of the Temple

    John uses the word 'temple' several times in Revelation. All the other references up till ch 20 refer to God's temple in heaven. That is probably how it should also be understood in 11:1. It is likely to be the same temple later in v 19.
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    The Times of the Gentiles...Luke 21: 20-28

    Luke 21:7 clearly says Jesus' disciples asked him when these things will be and what are the signs they are about to take place. Contrary to your assertion, they did not ask him about his second coming and end of the age. "These things" refer back to verse 6 where Jesus predicts that not one stone of the temple will be left on another. It points to the forthcoming destruction of Jerusalem. That is the natural reading and it is probably why interpreters have traditionally and rightly read it that way.
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    Did God "needed" the original sin?

    The idea of a right number of souls might have come from Rom 11:25 and I think it does mean that God has a certain number of believers that he wants saved before he brings history to a close. He could have created those souls in other ways but he chose to do so through Adam and his descendents. I believe God hoped Adam would stay free of sin - hence the Fall was not a necessity - but Adam failed God. God was nevertheless prepared with a salvation plan in the event Adam failed and so the Fall came as a disappointment but not a surprise to God. This is where we are now.
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    Possible End Time Timeline (a bit different)

    I believe you are right that the multitude in Rev 7:9 represents the raptured saints. However, v 14 says they come out of the great tribulation which implies the great tribulation is already in progress when the multitude are extracted. Also, that John places the two witnesses in ch 11 in the midst of his description of the trumpet plagues indicates that those two minister during the period of the trumpet plagues and not earlier.
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    Can you lose your Salvation?

    I think the whole tone of the NT suggests we can lose our salvation. For example, why would Paul need to agonise over the Galatian christians and plead with them if he believed they could not lose their salvation?
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    Half An Hour

    I think the silence denotes the time immediately after the Rapture. All those pesky christians are gone and the world thinks it can enjoy peace and safety for a change (1 Thess. 5:3). But then destruction will come suddenly in the form of the trumpet plagues. Btw, the half hour is a good indication that God lives in time.
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    Conditional Salvation

    That verse is used not only in an end-time context in 17:33 but also more generally e.g. in Lk 9:24. Salvation is conditional upon us remaining true to the faith, as Col. 1:23 makes clear.
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    Timelines and Chronology

    Can those who fail to trust in the Lord alone be classified as Christians? If not, why would the AC persecute them? He knows they are lost anyway. Makes more sense for him to reward them so that Christians might be tempted to follow. Anyway, how do you read the 1,290 days and 1,335 days; what events do they refer to?
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    Timelines and Chronology

    According to the above, those who remain in the holy land must have agreed to the AC's peace treaty; why then are they persecuted?
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    Timelines and Chronology

    Hi again, I suppose it is theoretically possible for the beast to set up the AoD by intrigue but I don’t see any occasion in history where the Jews have been tricked into letting that happen. I think the desecration of the temple by a foreigner has always resulted from force instead. As for Daniel 12, I doubt the short time between the death of the two witnesses and Armageddon is important enough to warrant God setting separate prophetic dates, especially as the two witnesses are nowhere hinted at in Daniel. Anyway, just my opinion.
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