SIC Posted July 1, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,467 Content Per Day: 0.83 Reputation: 2,668 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/02/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/11/1989 Share Posted July 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: I never said all Muslims are jihadists. I am saying that the good and faithful Muslims are jihadists. I agree that the religion preaches violence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 1 hour ago, SIC said: And how many innocent Muslim lives has the West caused in the name of fighting Communism and now terrorism? There is no way to fight a sanitary war. But having said that you are overlooking a huge difference. When innocent people die in an attack we launch, the innocents were not the targets. Innocent people die in war. That's just how it happens. There is no escaping it. But Muslim jihadists , on the other hand, target innocent civilians on purpose. They choose soft targets full of children and women and they kill them on purpose. The jihadists made our attacks necessary. They provoked our response. They are to blame, not us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAZARD Posted July 1, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 320 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 6,830 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3,570 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/16/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted July 1, 2016 Knowingly or not, Muslims are actually worshiping the PAGAN Moon god. That's why the Islamic symbol is the star and the moon. Both occult idols. One for the moon goddess Diana and the other for the sun god Lucifer, the male and female occult deities. The Muslims worship an idol in the shape of a female vagina (fertility symbol) in the form of the Kabba Stone in Mecca. Islam is idolatrous and pagan. Moon worship has been practiced in Arabia since 2000 BC. The crescent moon is the most common symbol of this pagan moon worship as far back as 2000 BC. In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of the Kabah. This Hubal was a moon god. One Muslim apologist confessed that the idol of moon god Hubal was placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad. This may in fact be the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of every minaret at the Kaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of every mosque throughout the world. One Muslim apologist confessed that the idol of moon god Hubal was placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad. This may in fact be the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of every minaret at the Kaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of every mosque throughout the world: About four hundred years before the birth of Muhammad one Amr bin Lahyo ... a descendant of Qahtan and king of Hijaz, had put an idol called Hubal on the roof of the Kaba. This was one of the chief deities of the Quraish before Islam. (Muhammad The Holy Prophet, Hafiz Ghulam Sarwar (Pakistan), p 18-19, Muslim) The moon god was also referred to as "al-ilah". This is not a proper name of a single specific god, but a generic reference meaning "the god". Each local pagan Arab tribe would refer to their own local tribal pagan god as "al-ilah". "al-ilah" was later shortened to Allah before Muhammad began promoting his new religion in 610 AD. There is evidence that Hubal was referred to as "Allah". When Muhammad came along, he dropped all references to the name "Hubal" but retained the generic "Allah". Muhammad retained almost all the pagan rituals of the Arabs at the Kaba and redefined them in monotheistic terms. Regardless of the specifics of the facts, it is clear that Islam is derived from paganism that once worshiped a moon-god. Although Islam is today a monotheist religion, its roots are in paganism. The Helper will come who reveals the truth about God…. Be Hoda Kashta bi Allah! The word to ascend used in the Christian Bible in Isaiah 14 when Lucifer said "I will ascend into heaven...I will be like the most High", is in Hebrew "Allah" Strong's #5927. Allah translates "to ascend." Allah is the "fallen one" who wants to ascend into heaven. Allah is another title for Satan, the fallen one. The correct pronunciation of "elohim" is "allah-hay'm." Allah means gods, powers, or angels. In this sense, fallen angels. Allah = Satan. Makes sense why the Muslims who worship him behead infidels instead of loving their enemies as Christ taught. Islam is to Persian mythology (astrology) what Catholicism is to Babylonian paganism. That's why the Islamic symbol is the star and the moon. Both occult idols. One for the moon goddess Diana and the other for the sun god Lucifer, the male and female occult deities. The Muslims worship an idol in the shape of a female vagina (fertility symbol) in the form of the Kabba Stone in Mecca. Islam is idolatrous and pagan. Put simply, If one worships God one follows and worships His Son, Jesus. If one worships Muhammad, one worships his god who is Satan. Mohammed was the prophet of war; Christ is the Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6-7). Mohammed's disciples killed for the faith; Christ's disciples were killed for their faith (Acts 12:2; 2 Timothy 4:7). Mohammed promoted persecution against the "infidels"; Christ forgave and converted the chief persecutor (1 Timothy 1:13-15). Mohammed was the taker of life; Christ was the giver of life (John 10:27-28). Mohammed and his fellow warriors murdered thousands; Christ murdered none but saved many (compare John 12:48). Mohammed's method was COMPULSION; Christ's aim was voluntary CONVERSION (Acts 3:19). Mohammed practiced FORCE; Christ preached FAITH (John 6:29,35). Mohammed was a WARRIOR; Christ is a DELIVERER (Col. 1:13; 1 Thessalonians 1:10). Mohammed conquered his enemies with the sword; Christ conquered his enemies with another kind of sword, the sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God (Hebrews 4:12; Acts 2:37). Mohammed said to the masses, "Convert or die!"; Christ said, "Believe and live!" (John 6:47; 11:25-26). Mohammed was swift to shed blood (Romans 3:15-17); Christ shed His own blood for the salvation of many (Ephesians 1:7). Mohammed preached "Death to the infidels!"; Christ prayed "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do" (Luke 23:34). Mohammed declared a holy war (Jihad) against infidels; Christ achieved a holy victory on Calvary's cross (Colossians 2:14-15) and His followers share in that victory (John 16:33). Mohammed constrained people by conquest; Christ constrained people by love (2 Corinthians 5:14). Modern terrorists derive their inspiration from Mohammed and carry out their despicable atrocities in the name of his god; Christians derive their inspiration from the One who said, "Blessed are the peacemakers" (Matthew 5:9). Modern day disciples of Mohammed respond to the terrorist attacks by cheering in the streets; Modern day disciples of Christ are deeply grieved at past atrocities carried out by those who were "Christians" in name only (the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, etc.). Many Muslims are peaceful and peace-loving because they do not strictly follow the teachings of their founder; Many Christians are peaceful and peace-loving because they do strictly follow the teachings of their Founder (Romans 12:17-21). Mohammed said the Koran is authoritative only in Arabic, and only in his dialect; The Bible is authoritative in many languages around the world, for God knows all things and can inspire His Word in more than one language. Mohammed hated music; Jesus and His disciples sang hymns, and the Apostle commanded the Lord's Church to sing. (Matthew 26:30, Ephesians 5:19, Colossians 3:16) Mohammed allowed that a Mullah, Imam, or Mufti of Islam can be a terrorist and moral animal like Osama bin Laden; The Bible requires that a leader in the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ must be above reproach, and when this is not true, Christians demand such a fallen leader be removed from leadership. (1 Timothy 3:1-7, 5:19-20) Islam calls on its followers to observe Five Pillars, while all other aspects of life can be vulgar and not affect the Muslim's prospects in Paradise. The Bible calls on the Christian to submit to the total change of his life by the Spirit of God-- NO area of life and thought is the choice of the follower. (Romans 12:1-2) The Muslim looks forward to eternity in Paradise where there will be virgins who are used for eternal perpetual copulation. The Bible believing Christian looks forward to being with Jesus Christ and is delighted with that. (2 Corinthians 5:8) Mohammed said the witness of a woman was half the value of the witness of a man; and Muhammed said a women goes to Paradise because she satisfies her husband sexually; The Bible teaches that a husband is to love his wife and be willing to die for her. (Ephesians 5:25) Mohammed called upon his servants to fight; Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world; if My kingdom were of this world, then would My servants fight . . .but now is My kingdom not from here" (John 18:36) Mohammed ordered death to the Jews (see A.Guillaume, The Life of Muhammad, Oxford University Press [1975], p. 369); Christ ordered that the gospel be preached "to the Jew first" (Romans 1:16). The Koran says, "Fight in the cause of Allah" (Qu'ran 2.244); The Bible says, "we wrestle not against flesh and blood" and "the weapons of our warfare are not carnal" (Ephesians 6:12; 2 Corinthians 10:4). The Koran says, "Fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them" (Qu'ran 9.5);Christ said, "Preach the gospel to every creature" (Mark 16:15). The Koran says, "I will inspire terror into the hearts of unbelievers" (Qu'ran 8.12); God inspires His terror into the hearts of believers (Isaiah 8:13). The Koran (Qu'ran) is a terrorist manual which condones fighting, conflict, terror, slaughter, and genocide against those who do not accept Islam; The Bible is a missionary manual to spread the gospel of peace to all the world (Romans 10:15). Mohammed's Mission was to conquer the world for Allah; Christ's mission was to conquer sin's penalty and power by substitutionary atonement (2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 Peter 3:18). Mohammed considered Christ a good prophet; Christ pronounced Mohammed to be a false prophet (John 10:10; Matthew 24:11). Mohammed claimed that there was but one God, Allah; Christ claimed that He was God (John 10:30-31; John 8:58-59; John 5:18; John 14:9). Islam is geocentric, that is, the whole universe is centered on the Kaaba in the Grand mosque in Mecca in Arabia, and all Muslims pray facing that direction; Jesus Christ is the center of all Christian worship and fellowship, for He is "in the midst" where his saints meet anywhere on earth. (Matthew 18:20, John 4:22-23) Mohammed's Tomb: OCCUPIED! Christ's tomb: EMPTY! Islam must be received, or you can be killed for rejecting it: The Faith offered by Jesus Christ is for "whosoever will" to receive, and all men are permitted to reject it. (Revelation 22:17, John 3:16) Those who leave Islam are killed in most Islamic nations; Those who leave the true Church of Jesus Christ are allowed to do so with no revenge. Now, is a Muslim submitted to Allah and Islam because he loves Allah? NO! He dare not leave Islam, and he is loyal purely out of fear. The true Bible believer is loyal to Jesus Christ purely out of love. 1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. 19 We love him, because he first loved us.This concept is 100% alien to Islam-- There is no love in Islam-- Only fear and hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIC Posted July 1, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,467 Content Per Day: 0.83 Reputation: 2,668 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/02/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/11/1989 Share Posted July 1, 2016 1 minute ago, shiloh357 said: There is no way to fight a sanitary war. But having said that you are overlooking a huge difference. When innocent people die in an attack we launch, the innocents were not the targets. Innocent people die in war. That's just how it happens. There is no escaping it. But Muslim jihadists , on the other hand, target innocent civilians on purpose. They choose soft targets full of children and women and they kill them on purpose. The jihadists made our attacks necessary. They provoked our response. They are to blame, not us. It is the CIA which equipped the jihadists back in the 80s to fight the Soviets. CIA agent Milton Bearden has written a book about it... Likwise it is the American invasion on Iraq that destabilized the region paving the way for the ISIS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIC Posted July 1, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,467 Content Per Day: 0.83 Reputation: 2,668 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/02/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/11/1989 Share Posted July 1, 2016 3 minutes ago, Davida said: This is what is really funny/ weird/bizarre about hearing this same same argument over and over--claiming that when you say Muslim Jihadist Terrorism you mean that all muslims are terrorists. The statements are always the same. Nobody said all Muslims are terrorists but that is the accusation that is always made and I just do not get it. It is like replacing the words that are said with totally other words and then arguing about those words that were NEVER used in the first place. I'm giving my head a shake because I'm very confused. So make it clear. what is your stand on the matter? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, SIC said: It is the CIA which equipped the jihadists back in the 80s to fight the Soviets. CIA agent Milton Bearden has written a book about it... Likwise it is the American invasion on Iraq that destabilized the region paving the way for the ISIS Those are separate issues from the point I made. What paved the way for ISIS was the fact that our current administration didn't get a SOFA before leaving Iraq. It is the current administration that made ISIS possible by leaving a vacuum for them to fill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIC Posted July 2, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,467 Content Per Day: 0.83 Reputation: 2,668 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/02/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/11/1989 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Just now, shiloh357 said: Those are separate issues from the point I made. What paved the way for ISIS was the fact that our current administration didn't get a SOFA before leaving Iraq. It is the current administration that made ISIS possible by leaving a vacuum for them to fill. Glad you agree... I agree Islam is a demonic religion that preaches violence. I also agree that terrorism is a global threat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAZARD Posted July 2, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 320 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 6,830 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3,570 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/16/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted July 2, 2016 BE THEY REFUGEES, OR SIMPLY MIGRANTS, WE KNOW BECAUSE THEY TELL US, MUSLIMS ARE NOT HAPPY IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES. SO WHERE ARE THEY HAPPY? They're not happy in Gaza .. They're not happy in Egypt .. They're not happy in Libya ... They're not happy in Morocco .. They're not happy in Iran .. They're not happy in Iraq .. They're not happy in Yemen .. They're not happy in Afghanistan ... They're not happy in Pakistan .. They're not happy in Syria .. They're not happy in Lebanon .. SO, WHERE ARE THEY HAPPY? They're happy in Australia .. They're happy in Canada. They're happy in England ... They're happy in France .. They're happy in Italy ... They're happy in Germany .. They're happy in Sweden ... They're happy in the USA .. They're happy in Norway ... They're happy in Holland . They're happy in Denmark . Basically, they're happy in every country that is not Muslim and unhappy in every country that is Muslim! AND WHO DO THEY BLAME FOR THIS UN-HAPPINESS? They don't blame Islam. They don't blame their leadership. They don't even blame themselves. THEY BLAME THE VERY COUNTRIES THEY NOW, ARE HAPPY IN! AND THEN; They want to change those very countries to be like.... THE COUNTRY THEY CAME FROM, WHERE THEY WERE EXTREEMLY UNHAPPY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIC Posted July 2, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,467 Content Per Day: 0.83 Reputation: 2,668 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/02/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/11/1989 Share Posted July 2, 2016 4 minutes ago, HAZARD said: BE THEY REFUGEES, OR SIMPLY MIGRANTS, WE KNOW BECAUSE THEY TELL US, MUSLIMS ARE NOT HAPPY IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES. SO WHERE ARE THEY HAPPY? They're not happy in Gaza .. They're not happy in Egypt .. They're not happy in Libya ... They're not happy in Morocco .. They're not happy in Iran .. They're not happy in Iraq .. They're not happy in Yemen .. They're not happy in Afghanistan ... They're not happy in Pakistan .. They're not happy in Syria .. They're not happy in Lebanon .. SO, WHERE ARE THEY HAPPY? They're happy in Australia .. They're happy in Canada. They're happy in England ... They're happy in France .. They're happy in Italy ... They're happy in Germany .. They're happy in Sweden ... They're happy in the USA .. They're happy in Norway ... They're happy in Holland . They're happy in Denmark . Basically, they're happy in every country that is not Muslim and unhappy in every country that is Muslim! AND WHO DO THEY BLAME FOR THIS UN-HAPPINESS? They don't blame Islam. They don't blame their leadership. They don't even blame themselves. THEY BLAME THE VERY COUNTRIES THEY NOW, ARE HAPPY IN! AND THEN; They want to change those very countries to be like.... THE COUNTRY THEY CAME FROM, WHERE THEY WERE EXTREEMLY UNHAPPY! Well there are economic factors involved too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIC Posted July 2, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,467 Content Per Day: 0.83 Reputation: 2,668 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/02/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/11/1989 Share Posted July 2, 2016 8 minutes ago, Davida said: Mistakes were made by the governments at the time, but the USA didn't create ISIS - These are Islamic mujahedeen that have been fighting western civilization & the civilized and undeveloped world for 1400yrs. Islamic doctrine is Supremacist and not in a nice way but through violence & terror . The US navy was created by Thomas Jefferson because of fighting the barbary pirates. I agree that Islam is a religion that preaches violence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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