Women in Ministry

[Guest Jacee]

What I think is so great about this forum, is that there are women here who have been "delivered" into freedom of the Spirit. Holy Spirit. I have been in other forums and to mention some of the things that have been said, you would think that you had just committed the unforgivable sin. So, God bless you all!

And I am not putting other women down who want to continue on with being submissive to their own conscience. For that is really the heart of the matter. My conscience is clear about whether I am free to do whatever the Lord would have me do. Other women see this differently. I cannot change your understanding, nor you mine. Is a matter of what we see. So am hoping my words aren't offensive for that is not the intent of them. Is like Paul said, one may observe a day, another not. Whatever we do, we do unto the Lord. And personally if the Lord is not speaking the message out of whoever's mouth be it man, or woman, I don't want to hear it.

The most admirable pastor I know is a woman. She believes divine healing is for all today if we just receive it. But, she not only believes it; she walks it. And the Lord has rewarded her faith with His touch, time after time. From MS to cancer. She is a quiet natured woman, but the power of Holy Spirit is there, and she has revelation of His word. Plus, she is an encourager to both men and women for them to fulfill their call, and election.

[Christ's Free Servant]

I still wonder how Deborah managed to rule over the men of Israel as she was one of the judges..........

is that not being in a place of Authority?  was not she in Authority over men as well as women?

also,

where is the church?  is it the Building we go to fellowship in?

who is the HEAD OF THE CHURCH?  the pastor? 

or is the Head of the Church Christ Jesus.

mike

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Mike,

I am going to have to stop reading your replies, because my eyes keep welling up with tears when I read what you write. God has given you such a heart for him and a heart for the hurting. He has given you such a sensitivity to the voice of the Holy Spirit. You and I share so much in common in our passion for God and for his people. I feel your passion in the depths of my soul!

I was reading the word during my quiet time this morning, and I thought the passage applied, so I am going to share it here:

I Thes 2: "You know, brothers, that our visit to you was not a failure. We had previously suffered and been insulted in Philippi, as you know, but with the help of our God we dared to tell you his gospel in spite of strong opposition. For the appeal we make does not spring from error or impure motives, nor are we trying to trick you. On the contrary, we speak as men approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel. We are not trying to please men but God, who tests our hearts. You know we never used flattery, nor did we put on a mask to cover up greed

[Ovedya]

Christ

[Guest ang357pat]

I am an evangelist and i preach in the prison system in north east texas. I want to inject a few things When godmade man and woman he did not give us different spirits. we have the same spirit. so when man feels the call to preach it is much like the same for a women. But for me it was different. I was in a period of fasting and my girls were small 3 and 5 and god showed me in the halls of a prison and showed me standing in the cafeteria of a prison preaching to guys in in uniforms with guards. In august of last year i got to go to that prison and experience dejavui. For all the people who still do not think that their were women preachers in jesus day go to Romans 16 read it good verse 1 right out of the shute ( cowboy lingo it's the texan in me) is sister phebe. verse 3 is siser Aquila. verses 12; 15.

I do believe that some prophesy is preaching by i am one of joel duaghters and i run in to the oposition all the time at the jail with my baptist brothers to the extint that they do not want to be in the same room with me it does not bother me my only justice is that some day they will be judged like they are judgeing me. Did you hear about what happened to jesse duplantis!!! He used to believe like the baptist about juanita bynuam and he was at her conference helping as she was laying hands and he got to close to her and he was slain in the spirit. they said he got up a believer. I know who i am in christ jesus. in christ love-ang

[Ovedya]

I am an evangelist and i preach in the prison system in north east texas.  I want to inject a few things When godmade man and woman he did not give us different spirits.  we have the same spirit. so when man feels the call to preach it is much like the same for a women. But for me it was different. I was in a period of fasting and my girls were small 3 and 5 and god showed me in the halls of a prison and showed me standing in the cafeteria of a prison preaching to guys in in uniforms with guards.  In august of last year i got to go to that prison and experience dejavui.  For all the people who still do not think that their were women preachers in jesus day go to Romans 16 read it good verse 1 right out of the shute ( cowboy lingo it's the texan in me) is  sister phebe.  verse 3 is siser Aquila.  verses 12; 15.

  I do believe that some prophesy is preaching by i am one of joel duaghters and i run in to the oposition all the time at the jail with my baptist brothers to the extint that they do not want to be in the same room with me it does not bother me my only justice is that some day they will be judged like they are judgeing me.  Did you hear about what happened to jesse duplantis!!!  He used to believe like the baptist about juanita bynuam and he was at her conference helping as she was laying hands and he got to close to her and he was slain in the spirit.  they said he got up a believer.  I know who i am in christ jesus. in christ love-ang

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Ang,

Well that is truly wonderful! But I don't believe that preaching the gospel is the same as teaching, according to the context of the verses given here. My wife preached the gospel to me when we were still courting. And I believe that it is the duty of everyone in the church, male or female, to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ.

[Guest ang357pat]

I stand with Christ free servant and jacee on the issue at hand God gave me all these gifts(of the spirit) and callings for someone else; not for me. For the gifts and callings of God are without repentance. Romans 11:29. I am not goin be guilty in the day that he comes back and i have not used them for him. Their go for the same token i know that i carry a large task to standing and preaching and bringing the lost to christ and that he will look and make sure that i did just as he Christ called me to do. You see i take it serious. No i do not get justice in usurping authority over man when i preach or teach as you callit but i am carrying out what i feel that God himself has called me to do. in christ love his servant -ang

[hisgrace]

This is a christian forum and i see alot of women posting threads on here quoting scripture and giving advice not only to the men but to the women also a bit confusing. I have heard some say this is their church so what do we call the ladies on here quoting scripture you know men are going to read. How many read this one?

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This is not a church, it is a discussion forum. Some may consider it a "church" for themselves, but it is not scripturally a church, thus, this point would not apply. The wonderful women here are not in any spiritual authority over any of the men. There is nothing wrong with men and women discussing scriptures and having conversations and giving advice. Nobody that I know of said that women aren't allowed to quote scripture or give advice. It has nothing to do with trying to keep women down or dominate over them. It's supposed to be about what scripture has to say about the subject. Our feelings are not the issue.

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Keith,

Actually, I think hisgrace brought up a valid point. Bear with me here just a second, ok? Actually, hisgrace, I was thinking this one myself and my husband concurred with me. Keith, what is the church? Is it a building? NO! Is it a local congregation? Sure! Is it the body of Christ? Absolutely!! Are we Christians on here the body of Christ? You bet!! So, when we meet together on here and Christ says that where two or more are gathered together in his name he is in the midst of them, then would not that comprise the church? YES!!

If I am free to prophesy on here and to teach and to share the truths God is teaching me and you, as a man, feel free to share in that discussion, but then you, as a man, would not allow a woman the freedom to do the same in your own "church," is not that a contradiction? Why would it be ok here and not in your local congregation? Is it because there is no structure here? But, we do have some structure here, do we not? Are there not people who monitor our conversations? So, in essence, they are in some sort of position of spiritual authority over us (loosely, I know).

But, even that aside, the bottom line is that I, a woman, am prophesying and teaching and counseling and exhorting and encouraging other believers here in the faith and many of them are men. So, if you truly believe it is wrong for a woman to do that, then why do you participate in these discussions? Why don't the men on here ban discussions with women? I really see this as a double standard. And, if I, a mere woman, have the freedom to let the Holy Spirit speak through me here but if I were in a church where I did not have that freedom, then is it any wonder some people would consider this their church? Why do many people leave churches? A lot of them leave because they get more love in the world than they do in the church.

My husband and I were just reading a book about this subject tonight. It is by Chuck Swindol (my favorite author) and it is called "Dropping Your Guard." You should read it some time. He compares our churches to untouchable glass Cathedrals when they need to be more like local bars (figuratively speaking), meaning they need to be more like a hospital for the hurting. Do you know the place people get hurt the most? In churches!!

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Amen!

[Guest ang357pat]

This is true people are getting hurt in churches and thier is anew movement going on in the church in the TExoma area of texas /oklahoma. Its called caregroups On a sunday night instead of church people meet in homes and invited their neightbors and have a fellowship study. They teach what is taught in the mornignservice but with some clarity. This is a the going thing and it is causing churchs to boom at the seems. Victory Life with A pastor name Duane Sheriff. He is the one who divised the plan you can look him up on the internet and he will send you free tapes. he is good GOODD!!!! but you are right pepole are hurt in churches.

[Christ's Free Servant]

From the very beginning of the church in the first century Satan has been on the attack.  He first attacked the church outwardly, trying to tear the church apart from the outside through Rome and through the religious leaders of that day.  Then he turned to attacking the church from the inside, causing many saints to be misled by doctrines of demons, which were the various pagan teachings of that time.

The larger issue in the church today is Satan

[Ovedya]

CFS,

Have I written in this thread that women could not prophesy? In fact, I've said quite the opposite. Please re-read my responses if you are having trouble understanding the points that I have made.

Also, with regard to this statement:

Do you think that God could not speak to you through a woman if he could speak through a female donkey to Balaam?

Are you comparing women with a donkey?