OakWood Posted October 6, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 867 Topics Per Day: 0.24 Content Count: 7,331 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 2,860 Days Won: 31 Joined: 04/09/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/28/1964 Share Posted October 6, 2016 12 hours ago, woundeddog said: then why are all the trumpets and bowls coming from heaven?? It is Gods wrath finally being poured out on sinful unbelievers---- you know how people always ask-" If there is a God why doesn't he do something about all the terrible things that happen???" well during the tribulation he IS showing his anger at those things-- its not for believers No. If it is not for the believers then why are those who refuse to take the mark being punished? Does God punish the righteous? Is God preventing people from buying and selling, and beheading those who refuse to worship the beast? According to you if we want to please God we must all take the mark and worship the Beast, after all we don't want God to persecute us do we? The Tribulation is a terrible time for the righteous. It is the AntiChrist who is persecuting those who refuse to take the mark. It is the AntiChrist who is responsible for the terrible Tribulation, not God. God's wrath comes afterwards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woundeddog Posted October 6, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,370 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 1,054 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/21/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/18/1868 Share Posted October 6, 2016 5 hours ago, OakWood said: 17 hours ago, woundeddog said: No. If it is not for the believers then why are those who refuse to take the mark The Believing Christian Church will be raptured out before the 7 years starts-- Revelations talks about the 144,000 evangelists that are sealed to preach the Gospel- they are all Jewish men, this is the 70th week of Daniel as prophesied. The Jewish Nation will finish the work that God originally gave them to be witnesses of Him to the world-- those who are persecuted and don't receive the mark are those who have come to faith in the Messiah by their witness. You are correct it will be the anti-Christ who persecutes them, but the Horrible and catastrophic events that occur to inflict judgment on mankind's sins will be from the hand of God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacharyB Posted October 6, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 6, 2016 (edited) 21 hours ago, OakWood said: Since when has God ever asked evil beings to do his work for him? Since Jesus called His disciples "evil". And many believers later who were/are far from perfect. IMO, only the believer's sins @ the time of receiving the Holy Spirit are forgiven ... subsequent sins must be confessed/repented of. Habitual (unrepentant) sinning believers will NOT be allowed into heaven! Edited October 6, 2016 by ZacharyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacharyB Posted October 6, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 6, 2016 (edited) 19 hours ago, woundeddog said: well during the tribulation he IS showing his anger at those things-- its not for believers There is a huge difference between Satan's wrath and God's wrath. Satan's (the antichrist's) wrath will be 3 1/2 years against believers -- Get Ready! God's wrath will be against unbelievers on the Last Day at Jesus' Second Coming. Edited October 6, 2016 by ZacharyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OakWood Posted October 6, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 867 Topics Per Day: 0.24 Content Count: 7,331 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 2,860 Days Won: 31 Joined: 04/09/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/28/1964 Share Posted October 6, 2016 1 hour ago, ZacharyB said: Since Jesus called His disciples "evil". And many believers later who were/are far from perfect. IMO, only the believer's sins @ the time of receiving the Holy Spirit are forgiven ... subsequent sins must be confessed/repented of. Habitual (unrepentant) sinning believers will NOT be allowed into heaven! That's not what I'm talking about. God does NOT punish the righteous. So why would he punish those who don't worship the Beast? Answer: He wouldn't. So the Tribulation is NOT God's judgement. God's judgement is the wrath that comes afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OakWood Posted October 6, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 867 Topics Per Day: 0.24 Content Count: 7,331 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 2,860 Days Won: 31 Joined: 04/09/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/28/1964 Share Posted October 6, 2016 2 hours ago, woundeddog said: The Believing Christian Church will be raptured out before the 7 years starts-- Revelations talks about the 144,000 evangelists that are sealed to preach the Gospel- they are all Jewish men, this is the 70th week of Daniel as prophesied. The Jewish Nation will finish the work that God originally gave them to be witnesses of Him to the world-- those who are persecuted and don't receive the mark are those who have come to faith in the Messiah by their witness. You are correct it will be the anti-Christ who persecutes them, but the Horrible and catastrophic events that occur to inflict judgment on mankind's sins will be from the hand of God The believing Christian Church will NOT be raptured before the Tribulation starts. This is simply NOT scriptural and is a fantasy of false prophets. Jesus even tells us that will be persecuted in Matthew 24. It couldn't get simpler and more plain than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woundeddog Posted October 6, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,370 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 1,054 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/21/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/18/1868 Share Posted October 6, 2016 1 hour ago, OakWood said: 4 hours ago, woundeddog said: The believing Christian Church will NOT be raptured okay= believe what you want- but some day soon when you find yourself flying through the air-- don't panic. its okay-- its the Lord bringing us home! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OakWood Posted October 6, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 867 Topics Per Day: 0.24 Content Count: 7,331 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 2,860 Days Won: 31 Joined: 04/09/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/28/1964 Share Posted October 6, 2016 33 minutes ago, woundeddog said: okay= believe what you want- but some day soon when you find yourself flying through the air-- don't panic. its okay-- its the Lord bringing us home! :-) I won't panic. I'll be relieved that the terrible Tribulation is finally over - at last! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted October 6, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 307 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,138 Content Per Day: 4.62 Reputation: 27,819 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted October 6, 2016 I don't,not a pre-tribber but I certainly won't panic if suddenly I am flying in the air,I'll be very happy I was wrong!!!!! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angels4u Posted October 6, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 56 Topic Count: 1,664 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 19,764 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 12,164 Days Won: 28 Joined: 08/22/2001 Status: Offline Share Posted October 6, 2016 12 minutes ago, kwikphilly said: I don't,not a pre-tribber but I certainly won't panic if suddenly I am flying in the air,I'll be very happy I was wrong!!!!! LOL Hey sister, thinking of flying in the air soon? I would be so happy too, we leave the same time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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