want to investigate a friend's beliefs...

[preciouspearl]

i wanted to ask about a friend's beliefs. all are below

.that the earth is flat. space was never visited. there is water on the other side of "space" and it is not infinite. water is above the heavens. we dont have to get baptized, we dont have to tithe.
dispensationalism.

we as gentile christians should rightly divide.

the new world order has been around since the tower of babel and spread and was divided by languages to slow it down

 

• Ask:

  Who is our apostle? Whose pattern do we follow? Whose doctrine do we follow? Whose gospel do we get saved by believing? What is the ministry we have all been saved into? Do we need to tithe?

   

  1-4 Paul 5 Reconciliation 6 No

   

  Tell him this crazy guy you know believes these things and that's why you're asking.

   

   
• 

  Ask who Jesus came to and who His earthly ministry was to?

  You already know that.

   

   

• And go over these verses darnnit.

  Romans 15:8 Romans 6:17, 16:17 Ephesians 4:14 I Timothy 1:3, 4:16, 6:3 II Timothy 3:10, 4:2-3 I Corinthians 4:16-17, 11:1-2 Galatians 1:11:12, 2:7-10 Ephesians 3:2-3 I Corinthians 1:10 Philippians 1:27, 2:1-2, 3:17, 4:9 I Thessalonians 4:1-2 II Thessalonians 3:6 I Timothy 1:13-16 II Timothy 1:13 Romans 15:4 I Corinthians 14:37-38 II Timothy 2:7

Don't forget to ask how you are supposed to follow Matthew 10:5-6?

It's a commandment of Jesus after all.

[preciouspearl]

also, he says there is no reason to practice communion. or observe it.

[Ezra]

want to investigate a friend's beliefs...

Since this person wants to make up his own theology, you would be wasting your time trying to investigate weird beliefs. Just tell him what you believe and leave it at that.

[Guest Teditis]

I has occurred to me that there are many people that are drawn (somewhat) to Christianity

but also have some very diverse opinions about our relationship with God. They are drawn, I

suppose, because Truth is found in Scripture and that appeals to most people. But then they add

their own personal feelings and ideas of how God "should be".

It's fine to listen to them discuss their beliefs so that you can get some sorta' sense about where

they're coming from and (if it's a fair conversation) they should listen to your beliefs... and then the

dialogue would go back and forth explaining the nuances of each others beliefs. But the problem often

arises where one of the two doesn't want to hear the others beliefs... they just discount what the other

person says and keeps pressing home their point-of-view.

In these matters it is important "to know that you know what you know." For the Christian, that should

primarily be the basic Gospel message... we add to that over time.

[missmuffet]

On 10/17/2016 at 10:54 PM, preciouspearl said:

also, he says there is no reason to practice communion. or observe it.

I would suggest that you do not take your friends advise. Really bad example of Christianity.

[GoldenEagle]

On ‎10‎/‎17‎/‎2016 at 10:22 PM, preciouspearl said:

i wanted to ask about a friend's beliefs. all are below

.that the earth is flat. space was never visited. there is water on the other side of "space" and it is not infinite. water is above the heavens. we dont have to get baptized, we dont have to tithe.
dispensationalism.

We as gentile Christians should rightly divide.

The new world order has been around since the tower of babel and spread and was divided by languages to slow it down

 

• Ask:

  Who is our apostle? Whose pattern do we follow? Whose doctrine do we follow? Whose gospel do we get saved by believing? What is the ministry we have all been saved into? Do we need to tithe?

   

  1-4 Paul 5 Reconciliation 6 No

   

  Tell him this crazy guy you know believes these things and that's why you're asking.

   

   
• 

  Ask who Jesus came to and who His earthly ministry was to?

  You already know that.

   

   

• And go over these verses darnnit.

  Romans 15:8 Romans 6:17, 16:17 Ephesians 4:14 I Timothy 1:3, 4:16, 6:3 II Timothy 3:10, 4:2-3 I Corinthians 4:16-17, 11:1-2 Galatians 1:11:12, 2:7-10 Ephesians 3:2-3 I Corinthians 1:10 Philippians 1:27, 2:1-2, 3:17, 4:9 I Thessalonians 4:1-2 II Thessalonians 3:6 I Timothy 1:13-16 II Timothy 1:13 Romans 15:4 I Corinthians 14:37-38 II Timothy 2:7

Don't forget to ask how you are supposed to follow Matthew 10:5-6?

It's a commandment of Jesus after all.

@preciouspearl Hiya So is the text in black your friend's beliefs? And text in teal, green, and red are also his comments?  I'd keep Galatians 6:1 in mind and engage him or her  

Galatians 6:1
Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted.

So your friends main ideas are listed in bold below.

1. The earth is flat. (Why does he or she believe this?)

2. Space was never visited. (Why does he believe this? Sound like your friend believes in conspiracies)

3. There is water on the other side of space and it is not infinite. Water is above the heavens. (Why does he or she believe this? What evidence points to this?)

4. We don't have to be baptized. (How does he view the Great Commission then?)

Matthew 28:19-20
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

5. We don't have to tithe. (This is true. Nowhere are Christians commanded to tithe in the Bible. Give generously and even sacrificially? Yes.)

6. Dispensationalism (Probably a good topic of discussion for it's own thread?)

Dispensationalism is a Christian evangelical, futurist, Biblical interpretation that believes that God has related to human beings in different ways under different Biblical covenants in a series of "dispensations," or periods in history.

7. New World Order since the Tower of Babel (Sounds like another conspiracy. Why does he or she believe this?)

8. Matthew 10:5-6 Jesus saying to the apostles to not go anywhere among the Gentiles but to go to the lost sheep of Israel. (This was for a specific time and place. Jesus didn't want them going to Gentiles yet. The Great Commission later on says to go to the ends of the earth?)

God bless,
GE

[RustyAngeL]

On 10/18/2016 at 0:54 AM, preciouspearl said:

also, he says there is no reason to practice communion. or observe it.

Where in the Bible do you read this, and who are you speaking of Paul or Jesus?

[RustyAngeL]

My reply to this is  if you cannot back up what your friend believes with what Scripture says, or it goes against what Scripture says then it is a false teaching and should not be entertained. 

[preciouspearl]

17 hours ago, RustyAngeL said:

Where in the Bible do you read this, and who are you speaking of Paul or Jesus?

Tell Me:-):-)

[RustyAngeL]

On 10/18/2016 at 10:57 AM, Ezra said:

 

 

Since this person wants to make up his own theology, you would be wasting your time trying to investigate weird beliefs. Just tell him what you believe and leave it at that.

That works for me.