Analyze why Trump won and Hillary lost

[missmuffet]

11 minutes ago, nChrist said:

Hillary Clinton didn't lose because she's a woman. She lost because she's a corrupt, socialist criminal who wants to destroy the America that we know.

And maybe that is not who God wanted to be our President at this time?

[JohnD]

IF I were a woman, I would have been embarrassed and ashamed that Hilary Clinton would go down as the first American Female President. America couldn't do any better than that???

I am a conservative (but not a Republican). I am for balance (Centrist if you must call it that, middle-of-the-roader) and I did vote Democrat in the first Obama election (which I regretted before he ran for reelection). I voted Trump and for the Republicans on the ballot to:

1. Fix America

2. Get the job done

Anyone that knows me knows I am among the first and the loudest cheering for women's issues and advancement. I sometimes embarrass my beloved wife shouting "You go girl!" when I am happy for a female achiever or she has spoken up or contributed. And my wife was and is ahead of her time. While the followers of Gloria Steinem and ilk were burning bras and insulting men, my beloved was making advances for the cause by simply being a female achiever in a male dominated workplace. She used to call it "being a guy." Assertive, not bitchy, but firm always giving everyone (males and females) the chance to do the right thing then lowering the boom on them if they don't.  Being a gorgeous blonde many assumed they could b.s. her assuming she was a dumb blonde. 'Oh', I'd think to myself if I were present when some fool made that determination, 'you poor fool, you should run... fast!'

Even before I met my mate I championed women's causes... the Church, for example, should have defended women and children who were being abused by men the last 150 years as Christian males were living less like Christians (but demanding the same Christian respect). The Church did nothing. They did worse than nothing. They sent women and children back to the tyrants and said, "Submit!" So... the perverts and malcontents took up their cause in the 1950's through the 1980's.  The result of that:

1. perverts and malcontents are super legitimized in American society and rule of law

2. the male / female roles are blurred to the point that North Carolina is boycotted for enforcing bathroom gender laws

3. women are more burdened today than they were in the 1950's by Peter Pan men who never grow up or were confused by female brutality about what their  expectations are

a) I recall getting dirty looks for holding the door for women / some even chewed me out but I did it anyway because it was the right thing to do

b) the roles of males and females were set in this imperfect world to bring the best from both

c) we are living with the consequences of male and female roles being imbalanced, undefined, thrown into the crapper

Not once did you see me say women should not get equal pay for equal work.

Nor did I say a woman's place is in the home.

Generally... generally... the decision to have children means either children or career because the commitment and the needs of the lives (she) chooses to bring into the world are so great both children and career would be deprived by the other. There are exceptions (my brother put his mechanical engineering career on hold while his OB GYN wife continued to practice medicine and they did very well even though two of their four children had Asperger's). If you knew my sweet brother, you'd know God knew to entrust those children with btw.

But no one applauds the advancement of women more than I.

And the traditional roles of women are such that few men (my brother and those like him are the rare exception) could even come close to fulfilling. I love that Shirley Cesar song "No Charge." Because if we paid women and mothers what they were due for the traditional roles we could never ever afford it. We have gotten out of the habit of doing Proverbs devotionally (responsively, a chapter a day). We need to get back in the habit. When we got to chapter 31 I always read verses 10 - 31 to her.  We have our moments of snapping and yelling like anyone else, but she means the world to me.

She was a television talk show host and news reporter in Texas. She did not land the anchor job at Good Morning New York but stayed there 3 years working for a franchiser to experience the City (which she had done similarly in the past with San Francisco, L.A., and Dallas (working for E.E. Fogelson husband of actress Greer Garson). She's got chutzpah / moxie and never let being a woman stop her.

And SHE was dead set against Hilary. In the 1990's I used to be the one screaming at the TV over the Clintons. And she could not believe all the things I said about them could be true. The past 18 months SHE was screaming at the TV over the Clintons... asking why I wasn't upset, how could I sit still for all of this... Told her I got it out of my system 20 years ago. 

My new role is not "can you hear me now" (like the old Verizon commercial) it's: "do you believe me now?"

She does. And we are both elated Hilary did not win the election.

 

This is what she tweeted to Trump.

This is the full photo. Allow me to explain. Halloween was near and she was going to surprise me with the costume but since we were voting early she decided to wear it to the courthouse and for a photo shoot the rest of the afternoon. As some of you know, I was trying to sell script ideas to a television show that blew me out of the water (it's first season on CBS)... now on the CW, not so much... but I am continuing to write the ideas I have down for a continuation of where it left off that first season (maybe to sell as a book or even a movie... I have several irons in the fire). Many sweet people here are praying for me in this venture. But I never divulged what it actually was (which TV show) til now. SUPERGIRL. 

Now that I think of it, I guess that is further proof of my pro-woman stance and beliefs. LOL This was a sophomoric graphic I threw together to help get the producers' attention:

But as I said... season one. Season two has turned many corners not the least of which is a homosexual agenda (bringing in a DC Comics gay female character and writing in a SUPERGIRL regular character [the sister of Kara] as uncertain about her sexuality and ending up gay). Plus the other night they aired a very sexually suggestive pose for a show that me and little kids watch. Sadly I am not able to recommend season two of SUPERGIRL because even more sadly they departed from the smash success it was in season one.

For those who are curious here I think I will start a thread on the subject and share some of my ideas, graphics and even videos I made to get the Producers to buy my ideas. 

 

 

 

 

 

[missmuffet]

7 minutes ago, JohnD said:

IF I were a woman, I would have been embarrassed and ashamed that Hilary Clinton would go down as the first American Female President. America couldn't do any better than that???

I am a conservative (but not a Republican). I am for balance (Centrist if you must call it that, middle-of-the-roader) and I did vote Democrat in the first Obama election (which I regretted before he ran for reelection). I voted Trump and for the Republicans on the ballot to:

1. Fix America

2. Get the job done

Anyone that knows me knows I am among the first and the loudest cheering for women's issues and advancement. I sometimes embarrass my beloved wife shouting "You go girl!" when I am happy for a female achiever or she has spoken up or contributed. And my wife was and is ahead of her time. While the followers of Gloria Steinem and ilk were burning bras and insulting men, my beloved was making advances for the cause by simply being a female achiever in a male dominated workplace. She used to call it "being a guy." Assertive, not bitchy, but firm always giving everyone (males and females) the chance to do the right thing then lowering the boom on them if they don't.  Being a gorgeous blonde many assumed they could b.s. her assuming she was a dumb blonde. 'Oh', I'd think to myself if I were present when some fool made that determination, 'you poor fool, you should run... fast!'

Even before I met my mate I championed women's causes... the Church, for example, should have defended women and children who were being abused by men the last 150 years as Christian males were living less like Christians (but demanding the same Christian respect). The Church did nothing. They did worse than nothing. They sent women and children back to the tyrants and said, "Submit!" So... the perverts and malcontents took up their cause in the 1950's through the 1980's.  The result of that:

1. perverts and malcontents are super legitimized in American society and rule of law

2. the male / female roles are blurred to the point that North Carolina is boycotted for enforcing bathroom gender laws

3. women are more burdened today than they were in the 1950's by Peter Pan men who never grow up or were confused by female brutality about what their  expectations are

a) I recall getting dirty looks for holding the door for women / some even chewed me out but I did it anyway because it was the right thing to do

b) the roles of males and females were set in this imperfect world to bring the best from both

c) we are living with the consequences of male and female roles being imbalanced, undefined, thrown into the crapper

Not once did you see me say women should not get equal pay for equal work.

Nor did I say a woman's place is in the home.

Generally... generally... the decision to have children means either children or career because the commitment and the needs of the lives (she) chooses to bring into the world are so great both children and career would be deprived by the other. There are exceptions (my brother put his mechanical engineering career on hold while his OB GYN wife continued to practice medicine and they did very well even though two of their four children had Asperger's). If you knew my sweet brother, you'd know God knew to entrust those children with btw.

But no one applauds the advancement of women more than I.

And the traditional roles of women are such that few men (my brother and those like him are the rare exception) could even come close to fulfilling. I love that Shirley Cesar song "No Charge." Because if we paid women and mothers what they were due for the traditional roles we could never ever afford it. We have gotten out of the habit of doing Proverbs devotionally (responsively, a chapter a day). We need to get back in the habit. When we got to chapter 31 I always read verses 10 - 31 to her.  We have our moments of snapping and yelling like anyone else, but she means the world to me.

She was a television talk show host and news reporter in Texas. She did not land the anchor job at Good Morning New York but stayed there 3 years working for a franchiser to experience the City (which she had done similarly in the past with San Francisco, L.A., and Dallas (working for E.E. Fogelson husband of actress Greer Garson). She's got chutzpah / moxie and never let being a woman stop her.

And SHE was dead set against Hilary. In the 1990's I used to be the one screaming at the TV over the Clintons. And she could not believe all the things I said about them could be true. The past 18 months SHE was screaming at the TV over the Clintons... asking why I wasn't upset, how could I sit still for all of this... Told her I got it out of my system 20 years ago. 

My new role is not "can you hear me now" (like the old Verizon commercial) it's: "do you believe me now?"

She does. And we are both elated Hilary did not win the election.

 

This is what she tweeted to Trump.

This is the full photo. Allow me to explain. Halloween was near and she was going to surprise me with the costume but since we were voting early she decided to wear it to the courthouse and for a photo shoot the rest of the afternoon. As some of you know, I was trying to sell script ideas to a television show that blew me out of the water (it's first season on CBS)... now on the CW, not so much... but I am continuing to write the ideas I have down for a continuation of where it left off that first season (maybe to sell as a book or even a movie... I have several irons in the fire). Many sweet people here are praying for me in this venture. But I never divulged what it actually was (which TV show) til now. SUPERGIRL. 

Now that I think of it, I guess that is further proof of my pro-woman stance and beliefs. LOL This was a sophomoric graphic I threw together to help get the producers' attention:

But as I said... season one. Season two has turned many corners not the least of which is a homosexual agenda (bringing in a DC Comics gay female character and writing in a SUPERGIRL regular character [the sister of Kara] as uncertain about her sexuality and ending up gay). Plus the other night they aired a very sexually suggestive pose for a show that me and little kids watch. Sadly I am not able to recommend season two of SUPERGIRL because even more sadly they departed from the smash success it was in season one.

For those who are curious here I think I will start a thread on the subject and share some of my ideas, graphics and even videos I made to get the Producers to buy my ideas. 

 

 

 

 

 

So are you saying that Hillary Clinton was not a good representative of the feminine world? It is embarrassing?

[JohnD]

LOL

Lord, let me count the ways...

Where can I begin?

Email server, destroying evidence in contempt of US Congress, Benghazi, Pay-for-Play, lying to Congress, getting the Attorney General to purger herself with Bill on the Arizona tarmac...

That's jut the recent stuff.

Vince Foster death. Ron Brown death. The abuse of women  in nations around the world the Clinton Foundation gladly accepts money from. The Clintons dealings as far back as the Mena, Arkansas death of two teenagers... these are just the very few that I know or remember. The book "Clinton Cash" is a good read if you want it in writing.

In anticipation of your next response "aside from all that what do I have?"

Nothing. You win, Ms Muffet. Have a nice life. 

 

 

[woundeddog]

oh, I debated the negatives of both candidates and I debated the positives-- carefully weighed each presidential scenario talked to a number of older and wiser men than myself to get their council--- went back almost 15 years with both candidates researching every move and statement they made. I really had made an intellectually honest study of both and when it came right down to it~~~~~~~ I couldn't vote for a girl--- hahahaha --- lololol roflmbo----- just kidding!

[JohnD]

I'd vote for a chinchilla if she were an honest one.

Ramona, California had a llama as mayor (Tony Lama Llama):

[nChrist]

3 hours ago, missmuffet said:

So are you saying that Hillary Clinton was not a good representative of the feminine world? It is embarrassing?

He said it pretty bluntly and clearly, and I agree completely. Hillary Clinton didn't lose because she was a woman, rather because she was a bad woman. I really don't know how the DNC could have done worse, and I don't have a clue how she got so many votes.

[Guest shiloh357]

Hillary Clinton also lost because of her age and because she was uninspiring, not to mention her lack of any real message.    Bernie was old but he was inspiring to young voters and he had a message.    Clinton could not offset her age.   She doesn't even like the people voting for her. 

She wore $12,000 Armani outfits while trying to tell poor people that she understands them.   She is completely out of touch with how the average American lives.

It was cringe worthy watching her try to dance and move to pop musicians like Beyonce, et al.   Ever seen a 60 year old man try to act and dress like he is 24?   It's gross.   Same with her.   She was so out of place and it was uncomfortable to watch. 

Her mantra was, "I am a woman and it is my turn to be president."  Everything else was about bashing Trump.  She had no accomplishments, no real experience, and nothing appealing about her. 

[JohnD]

America is broken.

Bernie and Donald preached the gospel of fixing it (from opposing perspectives).

Hilary was only interested on cashing in on America.

[Dennis1209]

14 hours ago, ayin jade said:

Im a sister. 

No big deal, you are not the first person to confuse my gender lol. 

I'm sorry! Goes to show sometimes I need to reevaluate my assumptions, so...

Amen Sister!