creativemechanic Posted November 20, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 414 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 1,273 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 518 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/22/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted November 20, 2016 That we forgive is not in question at all. But my issue is how far does this forgiveness go in terms of how you relate to the person. I had a couple of situations where people I considered friends made their opinionsof me known openly and very embarrassingly. So mentally I cut them off. If they need my help, I'll help them, I'll also be civil to them. I don't think I hate them or hold a grudge and prayed that God not let me do so. But the supposed friendship is no where near the same. I won't try to be friendly or go out to interact with them as I once would. I'm wondering if this is right or christianlike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full goespel Posted November 20, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 188 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 111 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/29/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted November 20, 2016 You are told to lay down your life for them you have one right and that is to love, 7 x 70 times you have to forgive. And that doesnt say forgive them small things either. You are Romans 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted November 20, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 107 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,820 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 4,805 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted November 20, 2016 Forgiving people MUST go the full distance to it's fullest degree ...... but forgiveness doesn't always mean that you are bosom buddies once again. Forgiving people just means that you don't hold what they did to you in account against them. It's what Christ did for us. We must forgive as he forgave. And that's hard. But we must. And sometimes even though forgiveness is given - consequences are such that relationships are not easily restored and maybe never restored. Our forgiving people has nothing to do with their paying a consequence. We forgive whether they pay a consequence or not. If a husband/father sexually abuses his child, the wife/mother and the child will have to come to the point of forgiveness someday - even for their own sanity - , but that does NOT mean that reconciliation is required or that they ever have to see him again. My uncle was held in his home at gunpoint - tied to a chair - and robbed. He has forgiven that young man - who is a distant cousin and is 24 years old. We all have. But we won't be in a happy-go-lucky relationship with him anymore like when he was a boy. He is a dangerous young man who cannot stay out of trouble and his actions get progressively worse. He frightens me. I have forgiven him and pray for his salvation, but he will not be in any of our families homes any time soon and we all hope that he will be going to jail after the hearing. He's robbed people at gunpoint in another state as a minor and all they did was to tell him he wasn't allowed back in that state. Forgiveness is imperative - it's part of the healing process for the victim who is in pain. But consequences sometimes are such that what's broken cannot and sometimes should not be restored or at least not right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markdohle Posted November 20, 2016 Group: Senior Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 77 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 641 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 328 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted November 20, 2016 When we trust someone it is actually a gift we bestow, when it is broken, especially in a manner that is grievous, then there is no more trust. It is hard to regain. Sometimes trust can be recovered, though I believe that is seldom done if the betrayal is truly malicious. Of course if the person knows the depth of his betrayal and his sorrow is deep enough it could lead to something deeper, but again, I believe that is rare. Peace mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full goespel Posted November 20, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 188 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 111 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/29/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted November 20, 2016 Why does what happened to us change Gods word. It doesnt. He gave all to us and we give it all back. There is no half measure in forgivness. @Jayne He forgave us fully and there is no half measure. So you are bosom buddies. We hold on to our pians like prizes. Let it go. Go pray for the person its them who is trouble not you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted November 21, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 307 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,136 Content Per Day: 4.63 Reputation: 27,816 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted November 21, 2016 Quote . I have forgiven him and pray for his salvation, but he will not be in any of our families homes any time soon and we all hope that he will be going to jail after the hearing. I agree,forgiveness does not mean someone like this should be trusted & carry on as usual...... Blessings creativemechanic,I think your wise to proceed with caution....You have forgiven,love them & yet let their fruits tell you WHO they are,trust must be earned & has nothing to do with love or forgiveness With love-in Christ,Kwik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyAngeL Posted November 21, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 23 Topic Count: 155 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,464 Content Per Day: 1.02 Reputation: 8,810 Days Won: 57 Joined: 03/30/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/12/1952 Share Posted November 21, 2016 On 11/20/2016 at 1:51 PM, creativemechanic said: That we forgive is not in question at all. But my issue is how far does this forgiveness go in terms of how you relate to the person. I had a couple of situations where people I considered friends made their opinionsof me known openly and very embarrassingly. So mentally I cut them off. If they need my help, I'll help them, I'll also be civil to them. I don't think I hate them or hold a grudge and prayed that God not let me do so. But the supposed friendship is no where near the same. I won't try to be friendly or go out to interact with them as I once would. I'm wondering if this is right or christianlike I"ve said this before. Forgiveness does not have anything to do with the other person, it has to do with us. When we forgive we are freed up to love them whether they ever know they are forgiven or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B3L13v3R Posted November 21, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 76 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,261 Content Per Day: 0.24 Reputation: 1,035 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/12/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted November 21, 2016 As mentioned brother, we forgive, and move on! I've had some "friends" that have done similar things over the years. Slander, lies, even theft being amongst those sins towards me and ultimately against God. Mark 11:25-26 (25) And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. (26) But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses. I've rebuked them. As there has been no change on their part, I have nothing more to do with them, but still pray for them on occasion. Luke 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. Should they ever repent before God, and ask forgiveness towards me, I'll gladly accept. At the same time, I'll be looking for "fruits meet (worthy & right) with repentance" to make sure they were sincere. Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full goespel Posted November 21, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 188 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 111 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/29/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted November 21, 2016 17 minutes ago, B3L13v3R said: As mentioned brother, we forgive, and move on! I've had some "friends" that have done similar things over the years. Slander, lies, even theft being amongst those sins towards me and ultimately against God. Mark 11:25-26 (25) And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. (26) But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses. I've rebuked them. As there has been no change on their part, I have nothing more to do with them, but still pray for them on occasion. Luke 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. Should they ever repent before God, and ask forgiveness towards me, I'll gladly accept. At the same time, I'll be looking for "fruits meet (worthy & right) with repentance" to make sure they were sincere. Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: If you forgave them theres nothing to gladly except. I would pray Lord bless them Thank you they are most trust worthy. bless yu Father there coming into the kingdom. I have people stole 1,5 thousnd pounds from me and 500 pounds and other things. Let it Go bless them Father thank you for them There amazing Your amazing, Its nothing Lord. I love them. I thank you Father you helped me love them. woo hoo. I am free from You because I am free from me. Hardly anyone will get the last paryer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted November 22, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 107 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,820 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 4,805 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted November 22, 2016 On 11/20/2016 at 3:07 PM, full goespel said: Why does what happened to us change Gods word. It doesnt. He gave all to us and we give it all back. There is no half measure in forgivness. @Jayne He forgave us fully and there is no half measure. So you are bosom buddies. We hold on to our pians like prizes. Let it go. Go pray for the person its them who is trouble not you. You didn't read my post past the second sentence, did you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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