Ezra Posted January 14, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted January 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Yowm said: Now I am confused, you quoted John 21:18 (also the original reference) but you are citing Mark 21:18. Which is the one Fran was questioning? Mark has only 16 chapters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kindle Posted January 14, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 53 Topic Count: 88 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 4,064 Content Per Day: 1.36 Reputation: 3,748 Days Won: 8 Joined: 02/23/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Fran C said: Ezra, Perché scrivi sempre in Greco. Non tutti lo capiscono e non lo dovresti fare. Other than that, Dio ti benedica. I truly appreciate this post!! Blessings, Fran Translation: Why do you always write in Greek. Not everyone understands this, and you should not do that. Other than that, God bless you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted January 14, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted January 14, 2017 14 minutes ago, Yowm said: Ok, so you mistakenly wrote out Mark 21:18? Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran C Posted January 14, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 337 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 214 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, worthy said: Translation: Why do you always write in Greek. Not everyone understands this, and you should not do that. Other than that, God bless you Great!! But will he stop doing it is the question!! We love him anyway... Edited January 14, 2017 by Fran C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted January 14, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted January 14, 2017 10 minutes ago, worthy said: Translation: Why do you always write in Greek. Not everyone understands this, and you should not do that. Other than that, God bless you People need to see the Greek text since that is the foundation for the English translations. I generally include the translation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran C Posted January 14, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 337 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 214 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, Ezra said: People need to see the Greek text since that is the foundation for the English translations. I generally include the translation. Ezra, Thanks again for your help. I did realize you meant John 21 in your verses. I'm a happy camper...! So nice to have such knowledgeable people around. Fran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegaman 3.0 Posted January 14, 2017 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 57 Topic Count: 1,546 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 10,320 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 12,323 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/15/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1951 Share Posted January 14, 2017 7 hours ago, Fran C said: Hi Omegaman, Regarding Mathew and Mark, it seems there's some debate as to who wrote the first Gospel, Mathew or Mark. This doesn't interest me very much however. What does interest me is additions to the bible. For instance, I learned years ago that one of my favorite scriptures MAY HAVE been added on at a later date and not written by John. Could you comment on this if you're familiar with it? John 21:18 I am sorry to say, that while I am somewhat familiar with the fact that some debate exists, I do not know much about it. What little I think I recall, is that this theory has to do with textual analysis, where people look at writing style, word usage etc. and then get the idea, that that chapter was written by a different author. This kind of textual criticism, can be ridiculous some time. I remember that there were a couple of fellows, who "proved" that the first five books of the Bible, were written be many authors, not Moses. Others had come to the same conclusion, but they guys wrote a computer program to analyze the texts. This was accepted by those who already believed the multiple authorship theory to be correct. Of course it was, we too easily accept the evidence of those who agree with us. However, someone else, later came along, an used this same program, to analyze the paper that these fellows had written about there lamination and results. Based on the results of this computer analysis, it appeared that this paper, had many, many authors, instead of the two who wrote it. This is a great illustration, of the shakiness of this approach to scripture authenticity. As I recall, there is no manuscript evidence, that John 21 should not be considered authentic. This is one of the reasons that it is a good idea to look at the earliest texts possible, because obviously addition happen later, not at the beginning. Now, I want to thank you for bringing this up, because it points out a flaw in my thinking. I was writing a response to Ezra, as you know, that mentioned the way the gospel of Mark ends. One of the reasons I am leery of this debated ending, is because it does not "look" like it belongs. It seems a bit out of place in the context, and the style just somehow feels foreign to me. I don't recall if I mentioned that in my response to Ezra, but I was thinking that. After writing this response to you, I realize that judging style and substance as a criteria for authenticity, is weak, especially for someone like myself, who is not trained or knowledgeable in that field. So, if I made an argument based on style on that ending in Mark, I retract that from the evidence. If I did not mention it, then at least I can confess my fallibility of thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted January 14, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,128 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,855 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted January 14, 2017 29 minutes ago, Fran C said: Ezra, Thanks again for your help. I did realize you meant John 21 in your verses. I'm a happy camper...! So nice to have such knowledgeable people around. Fran if you want to read it, highlight it and right click and use google translate and it will translate it to english. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran C Posted January 14, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 337 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 214 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 14, 2017 1 minute ago, other one said: if you want to read it, highlight it and right click and use google translate and it will translate it to english. Thanks other one! (you know you just want to see my avatar!!) Fran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegaman 3.0 Posted January 14, 2017 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 57 Topic Count: 1,546 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 10,320 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 12,323 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/15/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1951 Share Posted January 14, 2017 2 hours ago, Ezra said: Omegaman, Perhaps before you go any further, you should get a hold of The Last Twelve Verses of Mark by Dean John William Burgon (1871). He has written a 334 page book on this subject which THOROUGHLY DEMOLISHES any objection to those verses being Scripture. So it is totally incorrect to claim that Mark 16:9-20 is not the Word of God. I'll bite! Just ordered in on Amazon. Should arrive late Jan or early Feb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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