simplejeff Posted February 10, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, missmuffet said: Job was given the permission to <<be>> sifted by Satan for a time by God. Satan did not have that power to sift Job with out God's consent for His Glory. Today also, whenever they are being 'sifted' (as were the Apostles and all the disciples too) , someone may be sick, ill, or in some kind of other painful circumstance, even to death (as a martyr; OR as someone UNfaithful). YHWH'S WORD says that all the troubles are used , according to HIS PLAN, to purify believers (like gold is purified). YHWH permits this, and directs this, for everyone, according to HIS PERFECT PLAN. Some (or many) find how to be healed. Many never find out how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted February 10, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted February 10, 2017 1 minute ago, worthy said: can you rephrase that plz I know that you read my post fast. But please look at the additional words that I posted to confirm that Satan did not have the ultimate power to sift Job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kindle Posted February 10, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 53 Topic Count: 88 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 4,064 Content Per Day: 1.36 Reputation: 3,748 Days Won: 8 Joined: 02/23/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted February 10, 2017 Just now, missmuffet said: I know that you read my post fast. actually your wrong i read it slow just like i do any other comment then reread it several times I see you have something for the scripture of job but it reads clearly that Satan afflicted him with an illness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted February 10, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted February 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, worthy said: actually your wrong i read it slow just like i do any other comment then reread it several times I see you have something for the scripture of job but it reads clearly that Satan afflicted him with an illness. Only with God's permission. Without God's permission Satan would not have had the power to torment and sift Job. So Satan can not cause any kind of illness on his own. He might torment us by giving us doubt and showing us evil but he only has limited power.Satan is a created angel. He was created by God. God has the ultimate power in our world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kindle Posted February 10, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 53 Topic Count: 88 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 4,064 Content Per Day: 1.36 Reputation: 3,748 Days Won: 8 Joined: 02/23/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted February 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, missmuffet said: Only with God's permission. Satan can not cause any kind of illness on his own. This is contradicting you first statement first you say he can't cause any illness now you say he can't cause any on his own. 3 hours ago, missmuffet said: Satan or his demons can not cause an illness. 18 minutes ago, missmuffet said: Job was given the permission to sift Satan for a time by God. Satan did not have that power to sift Job with out God's consent for His Glory. In Job 38:11 God says that He limits the waves of the sea: “This far you may come and no farther; here is where your proud waves halt.” In the same way, it seems that there are boundaries and rules that Satan must abide by. He can go so far but no farther. As the devil “prowls around like a roaring lion” (1 Peter 5:8), must he stop and ask God’s permission for every step? Or does he only need to ask special permission when he runs into an obstacle to his hatred? There is no real biblical proof either way. Job and Peter were hedged about by the Lord—Satan couldn’t get to them without the Lord’s first removing a measure of His protection. We know that God cares for all of His children, so it is reasonable to assume that God has a measure of protection surrounding each of us. And we know that, ultimately, God controls everything in the universe, including Satan. “In all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose” (Romans 8:28). https://www.gotquestions.org/Satan-God-permission.html i don't rely or subscribe to gotquestions.org or any commentaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted February 10, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 10, 2017 Remember when ADAM (the first man) abdicated his authority and gave his 'authority' / 'permission' to satan/ the devil. Remember in CORINTHIANS YHWH (GOD) says that members in the assembly were sick and dying because of their "choices" ? TODAY many are sick and dying because of their choices, regardless of if satan tempted them or they just decided on their own (if that is even possible). Likewise many have been healed by choosing what is right, whether delivered by YHWH thru Y'SHUA , or other ways. Likely many have been healed even if they did not choose what is right, as men are inclined to continue sinning naturally, yet YHWH'S mercy is so great as to provide every opportunity to seek HIM and to do what is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAZARD Posted February 10, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 320 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 6,830 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3,570 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/16/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted February 10, 2017 4 hours ago, TheMatrixHasU71 said: Not all illnesses are under demons. God allowed a man to be born blind to display God's power. John 9. God inflicts illnesses and disabilities on some people for various reasons. To test them or to punish them. Be careful of this John Todd person. I don't know anything about him but if what he is saying is not strictly in line with scripture then avoid him. Especially be careful if he seems obsessive in his talk about demons rather than sharing the gospel. Keep in mind we don't even know the names of any demons. The Bible teaches that Satan and demons are the source of all sin, sickness and disease; that they propagate sin and disease and control the law of sin and death in the human race (Matt. 4:23-24; 10:1-7; like 10:1020; 13:16; John 10:10; Acts 10:38; Rom. 7:7-25; 8:1-4; 1 John 3:8; Heb. 2:14-15). The Bible also teaches that Gods sent Jesus into the world to save men from all sin (Matt. 1:21; Eph. 1:7; 1 John 1:7-9; Rev. 1:5) ; heal men of all diseases and to deliver them from demons (Matt. 8:16-17; Acts 10:38; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 3:8) ; and to answer all prayers for anything that one desires that are covered by the promises of God (Matt. 7:7-11; 18:19-20; 17:20; 21:21-22; Mark 11:22-24; John 14:12-15; 15:7; 16:23-26). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted February 10, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted February 10, 2017 46 minutes ago, worthy said: This is contradicting you first statement first you say he can't cause any illness now you say he can't cause any on his own. i don't rely or subscribe to gotquestions.org or any commentaries. Suit yourself Worthy. People give Satan too much power and fear. Satan will take as much power and fear as people will give him. He loves it. We put on our Armor which is in Ephesians 6 and we give Satan no recognition at all. God has all the power and control. Satan has none. We put Satan in the dust and give him no importance at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAZARD Posted February 11, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 320 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 6,830 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3,570 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/16/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted February 11, 2017 4 hours ago, missmuffet said: Satan or his demons can not cause an illness.They do not have that much power. Our world is full of bacteria and virus's. That is what causes a physical illness. The Bible teaches that Satan and demons are the source of all sin, sickness and disease; that they propagate sin and disease and control the law of sin and death in the human race (Matt. 4:23-24; 10:1-7; Luke 10:10-20; 13:16; John 10:10; Acts 10:38; Rom. 7:7-25; 8:1-4; 1 John 3:8; Heb. 2:14-15). The Bible also teaches that Gods sent Jesus into the world to save men from all sin (Matt. 1:21; Eph. 1:7; 1 John 1:7-9; Rev. 1:5) ; heal men of all diseases and to deliver them from demons (Matt. 8:16-17; Acts 10:38; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 3:8) ; and to answer all prayers for anything that one desires that are covered by the promises of God (Matt. 7:7-11; 18:19-20; 17:20; 21:21-22; Mark 11:22-24; John 14:12-15; 15:7; 16:23-26). Matt. 4:23-24; 23, And Jesus went about in all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of disease and all manner of sickness among the people. 24, And the report of him went forth into all Syria: and they brought unto him all that were sick, holden with diverse diseases and torments POSESSED WITH DEMONS AND EPILEPTIC, AND PALSIED, AND HE HEALED THEM.1 Luke 13:6, And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has bound, lo, these eighteen years, to have been loosed from this bond on the day of the Sabbath? Acts 10:38, even Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed him with the Holy Spirit and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted February 11, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted February 11, 2017 5 minutes ago, HAZARD said: The Bible teaches that Satan and demons are the source of all sin, sickness and disease; that they propagate sin and disease and control the law of sin and death in the human race (Matt. 4:23-24; 10:1-7; Luke 10:10-20; 13:16; John 10:10; Acts 10:38; Rom. 7:7-25; 8:1-4; 1 John 3:8; Heb. 2:14-15). The Bible also teaches that Gods sent Jesus into the world to save men from all sin (Matt. 1:21; Eph. 1:7; 1 John 1:7-9; Rev. 1:5) ; heal men of all diseases and to deliver them from demons (Matt. 8:16-17; Acts 10:38; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 3:8) ; and to answer all prayers for anything that one desires that are covered by the promises of God (Matt. 7:7-11; 18:19-20; 17:20; 21:21-22; Mark 11:22-24; John 14:12-15; 15:7; 16:23-26). Matt. 4:23-24; 23, And Jesus went about in all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of disease and all manner of sickness among the people. 24, And the report of him went forth into all Syria: and they brought unto him all that were sick, holden with diverse diseases and torments POSESSED WITH DEMONS AND EPILEPTIC, AND PALSIED, AND HE HEALED THEM.1 Luke 13:6, And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has bound, lo, these eighteen years, to have been loosed from this bond on the day of the Sabbath? If you want to give Satan that much power that is your choice. That is between you and God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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