Christians Who Choose Not To Help

[Snow4JC]

JimR-OCDS-

First, I am a disabled U.S. Army Veteran. My disability is service connected. Last Sept, I had a Total Knee Replacement in my right service connected knee.

The money I received was from that surgery claim.

The money I received was a BIG amount.

Sometimes, in the past I didn't have enough money to give to anyone on a monthly bases.

SO I Chose to do this- donated $400 to bring a Jewish person back to their native country Israel.

Dad Ernie- I can understand your view. However, it does differ from mine.

To G-D BE The GLORY!

Snow4JC

[Guest yod]

Currently, according to our Forum Host, George, there are less than 2% of those in Israel who are Jews that know their Messiah. So of the 5.3 million Jews, only about 106,000 or less are True Jews.

and why do you suppose George moved there?

Now, what sense does it make to send someone there when it is much easier in almost every other country to reach them with the Gospel? You guys just don't seem to get it.

I see nothing wrong with helping set the captives free...

You seem to have a blind spot of hypersensitivity when it comes to jews for some reason, DE.

What if this were displaced Phillipinos who had been taken from their home centuries ago and were in danger of persecution or death. What if THEY wanted to go back before they were killed? Would you have any problem with helping them (christian or not) ???

[JimR-OCDS]

Snow4JC,

first off as a fellow veteran let me say, thankyou for your service and your sacrifice!

I meant no disrepect!

I just have a hard time understanding how a VA benefit can be given and used ouside of the need at hand?

Inotherwords, I qualified for the GI bill. It would've been wrong, if I took the money and instead of using it for my education, gave it to charity.

[Guest shiloh357]

JimR-OCDS-

First, I am a disabled U.S. Army Veteran. My disability is service connected. Last Sept, I had a Total Knee Replacement in my right service connected knee.

The money I received was from that surgery claim.

The money I received was a BIG amount.

Sometimes, in the past I didn't have enough money to give to anyone on a monthly bases.

SO I Chose to do this- donated $400 to bring a Jewish person back to their native country Israel.

Snow4JC

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Snow4JC, this not really about the fact that you did not spend the money on yourself. That is just a smokescreen.

We would not be having this discussion if you used $400 dollars of your claim to help a poor family next door feed their children, and in exchange had a chance to speak to them of Christ.

The problem with SOME here, is that you used the money to help a Jew. You helped a Jew go home, to a country that some here Like Jim, thinks is a racist, immoral country, or DE who thinks that it is not fulfillment of prophecies but is a product of worldly politics.

Don't listen to either of them. You just do what God tells you to do, and if they don't like it, then that is just something they will have to come to grips with. I with you 100%, sister. You did just fine, and I won't let anyone disparage you for blessing Israel; for in doing so, you have blessed the heart of our Messiah.

[Keith]

Inotherwords, I qualified for the GI bill. It would've been wrong, if I took the money and instead of using it for my education, gave it to charity.

She only gave a portion of her increase. She didn't give away the entire amount.

What I don't understand is the abuse of the welfare system. Now there's a problem worth talking/praying about. I don't think Snow's situation even registers on the scale compared to this!

[Orr v'emet]

JimR-OCDS-

First, I am a disabled U.S. Army Veteran. My disability is service connected. Last Sept, I had a Total Knee Replacement in my right service connected knee.

The money I received was from that surgery claim.

The money I received was a BIG amount.

Sometimes, in the past I didn't have enough money to give to anyone on a monthly bases.

SO I Chose to do this- donated $400 to bring a Jewish person back to their native country Israel.

Dad Ernie- I can understand your view. However, it does differ from mine.

To G-D BE The GLORY!

Snow4JC

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Snow, you didn't owe this guy an explanation. It's no business to him what you do with your money. I have helped many a patients apply for VA assistance and I know how hard it is to get something approved. If it wasn't really due to you, it would have never been issued.

The fact of the matter is, that you believed God was calling you to send money to help someone. You were following in obedience to what God commanded you to do and no one here should have the right to lessen your sacrifice and your gift. This person that you have helped return home may have a divine appointment waiting on him and you could be instrumental in that because of your obedience. Be blessed!

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Shiloh357,

God is calling the Jews, back to their land.  Most of us want to partner with God and bless the Jewish people.  If you don't, well then fine. That's between you and God.  But don't disparage those who seek to bless the Jewish people.

You have read enough of my posts, I am sure, to know that I seek God's blessings on ALL Jews whereever they are found in the world including those in Israel. I DO believe that those who bless Israel shall be blessed. But you are revealing your extreme biasness and your lack of knowledge of the scriptures. The current Jews that are in Israel were brought there by MEN, NOT GOD. Their return was in fulfillment of:

Matthew 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

Please note, they DO NOT PRODUCE ANY FRUIT, and in case you throw in how the people have made the land to become fruitful, this is not what is being talked about. It is speaking of "spiritual fruit for the Kingdom of God". This is why the Kingdom of God was taken from them in the first place. When it was first taken from them, only a "remnant" a very small number percentage wise, of Jews were "saved". The reason why is:

Ezra 9:7-8 Since the days of our fathers have we been in a great trespass unto this day; and for our iniquities have we, our kings, and our priests, been delivered into the hand of the kings of the lands, to the sword, to captivity, and to a spoil, and to confusion of face, as it is this day. 8 And now for a little space grace hath been shewed from the LORD our God, to leave us a remnant to escape, and to give us a nail in his holy place, that our God may lighten our eyes, and give us a little reviving in our bondage.

God has always maintained a "remnant" and it will continue until the day when this is fulfilled:

Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

When the Lord does save "all Israel", they will have peace, and their swords will be turned into plowshares. This WON'T HAPPEN till the Lord comes.

So what makes you think the ratio is any different among Jews in Russia? Romania? Hungary, etc.?  There is very little done to reach the Jewish people in those countries by the Christians that live there, much less by missionaries that are sent over. 

Worldwide, the ratio of saved Jews to unsaved Jews runs the same percentage. Only a "remnant".

BTW, you are not in a position to tell anyone, including Jews, who is or is not a true Jew. Don't even start trying to tell anyone especially a Jew that he does not fit your unscriptural definition of a "true Jew." It that kind of stuck up presumptuous nonsense that turns Jews away from listening to those of us who actually KNOW what we are talking about.

Perhaps if I quoted Paul and had not used the words "true Jew", would you have accepted it:

Romans 2:28-29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Paul is speaking of a TRUE JEW, a believer in Messiah and born of Jacob with the faith in God of Abraham. Have you not heard of a "completed Jew"? These are the TRUE Jews.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[Dad Ernie]

Dad Ernie- I can understand your view. However, it does differ from mine.

Greetings Snow,

I admire and respect anyone who will stand up for their convictions, particularly if they believe God was behind it. Was He?

Let me tell you a story.

A couple years ago, I was contacted by "Wings of Angels" requesting donations for the Allayah of Jews from Russia and elsewhere. Being a lover of God AND His people the Jews, I thought this might be a worthy cause and so I took it to the Lord. I had learned that there were many top name Christian evangelicals supporting the Orthodox Rabbi in charge of this ministry. I mean really big names and if you go to their web site, they reveal the names and I am sure you will recognize them.

But as I sought God through prayer, my heart was turned to their salvation. We are told in Romans a couple very interesting things:

Romans 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

Romans 11:30-31 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

You see this is what God wants for all Israel scattered everywhere in the world, and I do not forget:

Romans 15:25-27 But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints. 26 For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem. 27 It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things.

Can you tell me if any of the disciples sought to return any of the scatterd Israel to Jerusalem? Of course not. They went there to where they were to preach the Gospel to them.

Well when God had finished impressing upon me what His desire for the Jews were, I realized that by gathering them up from whatever country and transplanting them to Israel would only increase their "desolation". They may not realize it immediately, but they are buying right into the maws of the antichrist spirit. I personally do not want to give to that cause. I am still surprised at how many do.

I admire and thank you for your service. But regarding this issue, It is written that there is "wisdom in a multitude of counselors", and your Mom and friends sounds like they counseled you properly. But if you insist, then may God bless your efforts to honor and glorify the Name of Jesus.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings my good friend Yod,

and why do you suppose George moved there?

George went there to "evangelize" the Jews. He has not otherwise said anything to me, but I do not believe he is participating in the allayah of the Jews from distant lands.

I see nothing wrong with helping set the captives free...

Peter and Paul both claimed their "freedom" even while sitting in Roman Jails. This is what is meant by "setting the captives free".

You seem to have a blind spot of hypersensitivity when it comes to jews for some reason, DE.

As a matter of fact, I do not, but I am hypersensitive to those who INSIST that helping the Jews in their "allayah" to Israel is something God has commanded. Please show me that anywhere in the scriptures. I certainly do not want to contribute to the antichrist spirit in Israel by giving it more Jews to feed on.

Blessings Brother, Shaloam,

Dad Ernie

[Trinity]

The current Jews that are in Israel were brought there by MEN, NOT GOD. Their return was in fulfillment of:

Matthew 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

DE you are wrong... it was a Fulfillment of:

Isaiah 66:7-8

"Before she goes into labor, she gives birth; before the pains come upon her, she delivers a son. Who has ever heard of such a thing? Who has ever seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children."

In Isaiah 66:7-8, the prophet foreshadowed the re-birth of Israel in 1948. Isaiah describes a woman giving birth before going into labor, and he speaks of a country being born in one day. This accurately describes what happened on May 14, 1948 - when the Jews declared independence for Israel as a united and sovereign nation for the first time in 2900 years.

During that same day, the United States issued a statement recognizing Israel's sovereignty. And, only hours beforehand, a United Nations mandate expired, ending British control of the land. During a 24-hour span of time, foreign control of the land of Israel had formally ceased, and Israel had declared its independence, and its independence was acknowledged by other nations. Modern Israel was literally was born in a single day.

And one day they will produce fruit but they have te there first to produce it lol

What do you think the Tribulation is for? Its to bring back the Jews as a nation to God himself again.