PlanetChee Posted May 24, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 791 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 547 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 24, 2017 10 hours ago, Giller said: It is not that God wants Satan to be the god of this world, or that God wants the Antichrist to be in power for a time, it is that God allows these things, not because it is his ultimate will, but rather because of sin. Lucifer's rejection of God's ways, brought judgment upon himself, and then he became God's adversary, and because God is a just God, he renders the appropriate judgment. And he allowed Satan to tempt Adam, so to test Adam so to see if he would remain and listen to his instructions, or be disobedient to his instructions, for man's faith had to be tested, but man failed. And God's justice demanded the appropriate judgment on Adam as well. But because God is merciful he made a way for man, and the bible says that man was just flesh or something of that nature. God allows Satan to be the god of this world, not because he wants it this way, but because man chose it to be this way. And God will allow for the Antichrist to reign for a time, and in the end it is sin, that shall bring him on the scene, man's sins, and we can see that evil is ever increasing. When men rebel against God, men gets what's coming to them. If I may. I did not say that what is attributed to my name in quotes. That is Spidermans posting that you have quoted and now responded to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanetChee Posted May 24, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 791 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 547 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 24, 2017 10 hours ago, other one said: Would Satan be the god of this world if humans didn't back him. Is humanity in general our worst enemy? Would Satan perish for lack of attention if people weren't paying him mind? No. Because people can be our own worst enemy. There are people born without a conscience. Those are likely to become his disciples. There are people who enjoy evil rather than good. Those too are likely to be his disciples. It is all as God planned for this world. A tightrope walk if you will. Between the fates of paradise and hell. Good and evil. Righteousness and impiety. Without Satan operating in this world we would not seek salvation from it. There is a purpose. And only God knows why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted May 24, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 597 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,106 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,836 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted May 24, 2017 1 hour ago, PlanetChee said: Would Satan perish for lack of attention if people weren't paying him mind? No. Because people can be our own worst enemy. There are people born without a conscience. Those are likely to become his disciples. There are people who enjoy evil rather than good. Those too are likely to be his disciples. It is all as God planned for this world. A tightrope walk if you will. Between the fates of paradise and hell. Good and evil. Righteousness and impiety. Without Satan operating in this world we would not seek salvation from it. There is a purpose. And only God knows why. What power does satan have over any individual person? Christian or not Christian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanetChee Posted May 24, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 791 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 547 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 24, 2017 6 minutes ago, other one said: What power does satan have over any individual person? Christian or not Christian? All that God allows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted May 24, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 597 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,106 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,836 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted May 24, 2017 1 hour ago, PlanetChee said: All that God allows. this world is Satan's kingdom, but truthfully Satan can not make you do anything... Job is an example of that. If everyone was of the mind of Job, how much real power would he have over humans. He could kill us or make us suffer, but he can't make you do or think anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMatrixHasU71 Posted May 24, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,573 Content Per Day: 0.51 Reputation: 723 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 24, 2017 On 4/28/2017 at 7:02 PM, spiderman1917 said: In the OT, Satan needed God's permission to kill Jobs family and afflict Job with disease, so God was responsible for Satan's actions against Job, no? So, he needed God's permission even before Christ defeated him on the cross. How much more does he need God's permission today? If Satan is going to blind people's minds, i'm guessing he can't do so without God's permission and willing it. Yes God allows Satan to work havoc to test men. And yes Satan always needs God's permission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanetChee Posted May 24, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 791 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 547 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 24, 2017 15 minutes ago, other one said: this world is Satan's kingdom, but truthfully Satan can not make you do anything... Job is an example of that. If everyone was of the mind of Job, how much real power would he have over humans. He could kill us or make us suffer, but he can't make you do or think anything. That wasn't your question though. See below. 32 minutes ago, PlanetChee said: What power does satan have over any individual person? Christian or not Christian? With Job, Satan killed his entire family and caused him to lose everything he had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted May 24, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 597 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,106 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,836 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted May 24, 2017 4 hours ago, PlanetChee said: That wasn't your question though. See below. With Job, Satan killed his entire family and caused him to lose everything he had. but it did not force him to do anything himself. and if we were all that way much of what happens in Satan's name in the world would not happen. He and his angels would have to come out in the open and do things themselves... As it stands these days he just has humans do most all of his deeds. But it really doesn't have to be that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanetChee Posted May 28, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 791 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 547 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 28, 2017 On 5/24/2017 at 3:27 PM, other one said: but it did not force him to do anything himself. and if we were all that way much of what happens in Satan's name in the world would not happen. He and his angels would have to come out in the open and do things themselves... As it stands these days he just has humans do most all of his deeds. But it really doesn't have to be that way. If Satan can't make people do his will, how these days does he have humans do most all of his deeds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted May 28, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 597 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,106 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,836 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted May 28, 2017 44 minutes ago, PlanetChee said: If Satan can't make people do his will, how these days does he have humans do most all of his deeds? Same as he tried with Jesus. Knowledge, money and because so many join for the power and wealth. There are those who will take him up on his offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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