Guest Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 On 5/11/2017 at 2:34 AM, FresnoJoe said: Today, like in the ancient times, the Book of Enoch promises eye opening knowledge about prediluvian civilizations, cosmology, giants, angels, creation and biblical patriarchs. What often attracts people to the Book of Enoch is the belief that there are gaps of missing information that the bible cannot answer. However, many don’t realize just how much the Book of Enoch actually contradicts the scriptures and introduces the reader to ancient pagan teachings masked as biblical teaching. This is probably the reason the Book of Enoch has always been loved and held in high regard with New Agers, Luciferians and other occultists even to this day. Amen! The canon is ample. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixerupper Posted August 2, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 430 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 131 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2017 13 hours ago, Sojourner414 said: As far as "The Book of Enoch" or any other "inspired" book that is not in the Bible goes: if the Lord wanted them as part of Scripture, He would have made sure of it. And people accuse the Pope of being infallible. If the devil wanted to keep them out, he probably succeeded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavedOnebyGrace Posted August 2, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,058 Content Per Day: 14.97 Reputation: 5,191 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/30/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2017 14 hours ago, Sojourner414 said: As far as "The Book of Enoch" or any other "inspired" book that is not in the Bible goes: if the Lord wanted them as part of Scripture, He would have made sure of it. God does not save us from all of our own mistakes, or even the mistakes by leaders in various denominations or the Roman Catholic Church. They will be judged more harshly for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixerupper Posted August 2, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 430 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 131 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Sister said: other one I have "The Book of Enoch" (containing 5 sections /108 chapters) H.R. Charles Oxford: and "The Secrets of Enoch" (containing 68 chapters) From "The Forgotten books of Eden" by Rutherford H. Platt, Jr., [1926] They both harmonise, and do not contradict. They both speak about Jesus, his coming, salvation of the saints, hell, creation, and a deep insight into the world of the fallen angels, and their hybrids which matches with Genesis 6. So which book is 1Enoch? Also Enoch wrote 366 books. I don't know how many chapters make a book, or if each different topic and vision is considered a book? So it appears there are books missing. Are the books I mentioned above the only ones available? 3 He wrote all these signs of all creation, which the Lord created, and wrote three hundred and sixty-six books, and handed them over to his sons and remained on earth thirty days, and was again taken up to heaven on the sixth day of the month Tsivan, on the very day and hour when he was born. The Secrets of Enoch, Ch LXVIII. Many books weren't accepted in the bible because of some very petty reasons. Enoch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavedOnebyGrace Posted August 2, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,058 Content Per Day: 14.97 Reputation: 5,191 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/30/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2017 8 minutes ago, Blueyedjewel said: Amen! The canon is ample. There is truth in the Book of Enoch that both the Jews and early Christians recognized. For some reason, when the political arm of the church wanted to keep these books out of the Canon, they were excluded. Why? I can only speculate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted August 2, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2017 There have been many, many threads on Worthy about the extrabiblical books of Enoch and Jasher. These books were excluded for a reason. If God had wanted them included, He would have made sure they were. They are useful for study and comparison but they are NOT scripture and believers should not read them as Scripture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavedOnebyGrace Posted August 2, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,058 Content Per Day: 14.97 Reputation: 5,191 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/30/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2017 3 hours ago, Sojourner414 said: No, but I believe He will not allow His Word to be entirely corrupted without a "clean" copy available. God isn't so feeble that our mistakes will derail his plans. By the number of fragments we have, we can get to a Bible translation that's very close to the original. The original autographs are truly God's word and perfect. We only have fragments to back to the original. It has been shown time and again that the fragments contain copying errors. Man is not perfect. If we didn't treat the Bible as the worthy object it is, it is our fault, not God's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavedOnebyGrace Posted August 2, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,058 Content Per Day: 14.97 Reputation: 5,191 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/30/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2017 2 hours ago, MorningGlory said: There have been many, many threads on Worthy about the extrabiblical books of Enoch and Jasher. These books were excluded for a reason. If God had wanted them included, He would have made sure they were. They are useful for study and comparison but they are NOT scripture and believers should not read them as Scripture. I look at a book like the Apocalypse of Ezra more as a commentary, giving explanatory text to give us the full meaning of what's written. I am not arguing for the expansion of the Canon. But I fail to see any reason for coming down on Christians who are searching for the pearls of wisdom hidden that can be found in these books. This does not include the pseudo-Apocrypha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted August 2, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 597 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,124 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,854 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2017 7 hours ago, Sister said: So which book is 1Enoch? the english translation of the one that is in the Ethiopian Bible. it is known to most people as 1Enoch. 2Enoch is a partial translation from Slavic sources and is incomplete and a little different. 3Enoch is a Jewish Kabbalistic thing that is most likely from the Dark Side..... 1Enoch has a lot of different fragments from different copies in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister Posted August 3, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 17 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,727 Content Per Day: 1.04 Reputation: 2,305 Days Won: 5 Joined: 06/29/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted August 3, 2017 1 hour ago, other one said: the english translation of the one that is in the Ethiopian Bible. it is known to most people as 1Enoch. 2Enoch is a partial translation from Slavic sources and is incomplete and a little different. 3Enoch is a Jewish Kabbalistic thing that is most likely from the Dark Side..... 1Enoch has a lot of different fragments from different copies in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Ok thanks. I can't find a way to view the ethiopian bible online, and see how Enoch is written there and divided up, so I'm guessing 1 Enoch must be the section 1 part, and 3Enoch the section 3 part that is regarded as a Jewish Kabbalistic thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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