MorningGlory Posted May 25, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 25, 2017 6 hours ago, Running Gator said: Freedom of speech only applies to the government, WalMart or anyone else cannot take it away. I don't know about the rest of you but MY freedom of speech is in effect wherever I stand. I hate what this woman said, and I would never say such things to anyone, but unless speech is threatening, we are entitled to say what we please. Walmart is entitled to ban the woman too but entitlement doesn't make it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted May 25, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.69 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2017 1 minute ago, MorningGlory said: I don't know about the rest of you but MY freedom of speech is in effect wherever I stand. I hate what this woman said, and I would never say such things to anyone, but unless speech is threatening, we are entitled to say what we please. Walmart is entitled to ban the woman too but entitlement doesn't make it right. So, when you are standing at work you are free to say whatever you wish and your employer can do nothing about it? Could someone who works where you work say the things this woman said and your employer would be wrong to do anything about it? What about on this forum, there is clearly a limited freedom of speech based upon people being banned from threads and the like. Is Worthy wrong to do what they are entitled to do by limiting our freedom speech on this forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut- Posted May 25, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 39 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,673 Content Per Day: 1.31 Reputation: 7,358 Days Won: 67 Joined: 04/22/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2017 16 minutes ago, Running Gator said: WalMart plays no role in the freedom of speech, their only concern is to provide a safe and hassle free environment for their customers and employees. Would banning the woman for life from all stores be an overreaction? Of course, but WalMart is famous for over reactions to this sort of thing. In my two years with them I saw from the management side 4 maybe 6 times they way over reacted to an incident. Well I would disagree, they just gave themselves a role in it, and that was their choice. I am not defending what the woman said or did, but I will defend her right to do so under the Constitution. I am very defensive when it comes to the Bill of Rights, even to those who spout things I am opposed to. That is after all the very purpose of this right. God bless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted May 25, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Running Gator said: So, when you are standing at work you are free to say whatever you wish and your employer can do nothing about it? Could someone who works where you work say the things this woman said and your employer would be wrong to do anything about it? What about on this forum, there is clearly a limited freedom of speech based upon people being banned from threads and the like. Is Worthy wrong to do what they are entitled to do by limiting our freedom speech on this forum? I said what I meant; it answers your questions. No one can prevent me from saying what I want to say; it's only my own judgement that has prevented me from being fired or banned from this forum. If the day comes when I no longer care, I will ignore any such rules. Anyone can make rules in a private setting; following them is up to the individual. Speech is the right of any American. I'm not jumping down your rabbit hole, RG. No time for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted May 25, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.69 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2017 1 minute ago, wingnut- said: Well I would disagree, they just gave themselves a role in it, and that was their choice. I am not defending what the woman said or did, but I will defend her right to do so under the Constitution. I am very defensive when it comes to the Bill of Rights, even to those who spout things I am opposed to. That is after all the very purpose of this right. God bless Would you defend her right to do so on this forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted May 25, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.69 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2017 Just now, MorningGlory said: I said what I meant; it answers your questions. No one can prevent me from saying what I want to say; it's only my own judgement that has prevented me from being fired or banned from this forum. If the day comes when I no longer care, I will ignore any such rules. Anyone can make rules in a private setting; following them is up to the individual. Speech is the right of any American. I'm not jumping down your rabbit hole, RG. No time for that. So, if I am reading what you wrote correctly Worthy is just as wrong as WalMart for limiting what we can say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut- Posted May 25, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 39 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,673 Content Per Day: 1.31 Reputation: 7,358 Days Won: 67 Joined: 04/22/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2017 Just now, Running Gator said: Would you defend her right to do so on this forum? Yes. She would be corrected of course, which is this forum's right to do, just as it was Walmart's right to do. I don't suspect she would be immediately banned for doing so here, she would be asked not to say such things and if she continued she may very well be removed from the forum or placed on MR. Others could then decide based on what took place whether they should remain or leave. God bless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavedByGrace1981 Posted May 25, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 104 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,923 Content Per Day: 0.61 Reputation: 462 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/02/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/22/1953 Share Posted May 25, 2017 7 minutes ago, Running Gator said: So, when you are standing at work you are free to say whatever you wish and your employer can do nothing about it? Could someone who works where you work say the things this woman said and your employer would be wrong to do anything about it? What about on this forum, there is clearly a limited freedom of speech based upon people being banned from threads and the like. Is Worthy wrong to do what they are entitled to do by limiting our freedom speech on this forum? As I stated earlier, I believe it is within the rights of Wal-Mart to ban a customer. This certainly is an egregious situation. In practicality, though, I wonder how they will put a ban into effect at ALL their stores. It reminds me of when I lived in Nevada years ago (no I never gambled) - the casinos would 'ban' someone. If that happened, they were banned at casinos throughout the state. I often wondered how that worked then - in the days before facial recognition software. It will be interesting to follow this case. Blessings, -Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted May 25, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.69 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2017 5 minutes ago, wingnut- said: Yes. She would be corrected of course, which is this forum's right to do, just as it was Walmart's right to do. I don't suspect she would be immediately banned for doing so here, she would be asked not to say such things and if she continued she may very well be removed from the forum or placed on MR. Others could then decide based on what took place whether they should remain or leave. God bless In the end both WalMart and Worthy would be telling her the same thing, you are not free to say that here. Would they not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted May 25, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.69 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2017 7 minutes ago, SavedByGrace1981 said: As I stated earlier, I believe it is within the rights of Wal-Mart to ban a customer. This certainly is an egregious situation. In practicality, though, I wonder how they will put a ban into effect at ALL their stores. It reminds me of when I lived in Nevada years ago (no I never gambled) - the casinos would 'ban' someone. If that happened, they were banned at casinos throughout the state. I often wondered how that worked then - in the days before facial recognition software. It will be interesting to follow this case. Blessings, -Ed The ban would be all but impossible to enforce. It is almost impossible to enforce one at a single store unless the person is well known to many of the of the associates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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