Resurrection Day... not Easter

[Guest shiloh357]

Sundown Thursday to sundown Friday is one day. Sundown Friday to sundown Saturday is the 2nd day. Sundown Saturday to sundown Sunday, is the  3rd day.

Jesus died on Friday and on the 3rd day, rose, which is Sunday.

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NO. Sundown Wed to sundown Thurs, to sundown Friday, to sundown Saturday. Three days, and three nights. Jesus was resurrected after Sundown on Saturday, which on a the lunar calendar (which is the calendar of the Bible), is the first day of the week. Sundown on Sunday begins the second day of the week, and Jesus was resurrected at the beginning of the first day of the week. When the women made it to the tomb early Sunday morning, Jesus had already been resurrected for several hours.

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I think I'll stick to what the Church has always believed and taught.

A church that's forgotten its Jewish roots and Jewish understanding of things.

Jim - you seem to treating this as an attack against your faith? Why is that?

[WayneB]

Jesus Christ kept the Passover meal at the beginning of Nisan 14. That's the night before he died but actually the SAME day since days begin at sunset. (Incidentally, not 6pm as some posters say).

I stand corrected on the 6 PM benchmark. Stating the start of the day was 6 PM was technically wrong but the intended point was that the Jewish day begins in the evening rather than the morning. Thank you for clarifying.

[Guest shiloh357]

Then Jesus died on Friday, this is not a myth, but in Scripture.

Now there was a virtuous and righteous man named Joseph who, though he was a member of the council, had not consented to their plan of action. He came from the Jewish town of Arimathea and was awaiting the kingdom of God.

He went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus.

After he had taken the body down, he wrapped it in a linen cloth and laid him in a rock-hewn tomb in which no one had yet been buried.

It was the day of preparation, and the sabbath was about to begin. Luke 23:50-54

The Sabbath begins at sundown, Friday evening. So, Jesus died on Friday.

John 19:19 tells us that the next day was a "High Sabbath." High Sabbaths can occur on any day of the week. There are seven "High Sabbaths." So it is not necessarily so that He died on Friday. You cannot get three days and three nights unless He died on Wedensday.

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Hmmm, in my Bible, John 19:19, doesn't mention anything about the Sabbath. Are you sure you have the right verse?

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I stand corrected it was John 19:31

The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, [b](for that sabbath day was a high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

(John 19:31)

The High Sabbath was a Thursday that particular year. Jesus rode into Jerusalem on the 10th of Nisan/Aviv, and was tested of the Pharisees for four days. On Wedensday the 14th of Nisan at 3:00 pm (between the evenings Exodus 12:6) Jesus cried out, "It is finished" and died. He was in the grave for 72 hours, and was resurrcted at the beginning of the 1st day of the week. It really is not that hard to see.

[JimR-OCDS]

I think I'll stick to what the Church has always believed and taught.

A church that's forgotten its Jewish roots and Jewish understanding of things.

Jim - you seem to treating this as an attack against your faith? Why is that?

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The Church hasn't forgotten it's Jewish roots, but in fact, Jew's I know who convert to Catholicism, say how surprised they are to see so much of Judaism in Catholicism.

I'm not seeing this topic as an attack against my Church, but merely stating that I will stick to what the Church teaches and the traditions that she adhere's to.

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You mean like how the Pope is the equivalent to the High Priest?

And the Roman Papacy is like the Sanheidrin?

[JimR-OCDS]

The High Sabbath was a Thursday that particular year.

Well I didn't know that they had the exact year Jesus died, so how is it, you're making the above statement?

[JimR-OCDS]

From the Catholic Encyclopedia.

TIME

The Evangelists and critics generally agree that the Last Supper was on a Thursday, that Christ suffered and died on Friday, and that He arose from the dead on Sunday. As to the day of the month there seems a difference between the record of the synoptic Gospels and that of St. John. In consequence some critics have rejected the authenticity of either account or of both. Since Christians, accepting the inspiration of the Scriptures, cannot admit contradictions in the sacred writers, various attempts have been made to reconcile the statements. Matthew 26:17 says, "And on the first day of the Azymes"; Mark 14:12, "Now on the first day of the unleavened bread, when they sacrificed the pasch"; Luke 22:7, "And the day of the unleavened bread came, on which it was necessary that the pasch should be killed". From these passages it seems to follow that Jesus and his disciples conformed to the ordinary custom, that the Last Supper took place on the 14th of Nisan, and that the Crucifixion was on the l5th, the great festival of the Jews. This opinion, held by Tolet, Cornelius a Lapide, Patrizi, Corluy, Hengstenberg, Ohlshausen, and Tholuck, is confirmed by the custom of the early Eastern Church which, looking to the day of the month, celebrated the commemoration of the Lord's Last Supper on the 14th of Nisan, without paying any attention to the day of the week. This was done in conformity with the teaching of St. John the Evangelist. But in his Gospel, St. John seems to indicate that Friday was the 14th of Nisan, for (18:28) on the morning of this day the Jews "went not into the hall, that they might not be defiled, but that they might eat the pasch". Various things were done on this Friday which could not be done on a feast, viz., Christ is arrested, tried, crucified; His body is taken down" (because it was the parasceve) that the bodies might not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day (for that was a great sabbath day)"; the shroud and ointments are bought, and so on.

The defenders of this opinion claim that there is only an apparent contradiction and that the differing statements may be reconciled. For the Jews calculated their festivals and Sabbaths from sunset to sunset: thus the Sabbath began after sunset on Friday and ended at sunset on Saturday. This style is employed by the synoptic Gospels, while St. John, writing about twenty-six years after the destruction of Jerusalem, when Jewish law and customs no longer prevailed, may well have used the Roman method of computing time from midnight to midnight. The word pasch does not exclusively apply to the paschal lamb on the eve of the feast, but is used in the Scriptures and in the Talmud in a wider sense for the entire festivity, including the chagigah; any legal defilement could have been removed by the evening ablutions; trials, and even executions and many servile works, though forbidden on the Sabbath, were not forbidden on feasts (Numbers 28:16; Deuteronomy 16:23). The word parasceve may denote the preparation for any Sabbath and may be the common designation for any Friday, and its connexion with pasch need not mean preparation for the Passover but Friday of the Passover season and hence this Sabbath was a great Sabbath. Moreover it seems quite certain that if St. John intended to give a different date from that given by the Synoptics and sanctioned by the custom of his own Church at Ephesus, he would have said so expressly. Others accept the apparent statement of St. John that the Last Supper was on the 13th of Nisan and try to reconcile the account of the Synoptics. To this class belong Paul of Burgos, Maldonatus, Petau, Hardouin, Tillemont, and others. Peter of Alexandria (P.G., XCII, 78) says: "In previous years Jesus had kept the Passover and eaten the paschal lamb, but on the day before He suffered as the true Paschal Lamb He taught His disciples the mystery of the type." Others say: Since the Pasch, falling that year on a Friday, was reckoned as a Sabbath, the Jews, to avoid the inconvenience of two successive Sabbaths, had postponed the Passover for a day, and Jesus adhered to the day fixed by law; others think that Jesus anticipated the celebration, knowing that the proper time He would be in the grave.

[Guest shiloh357]

The High Sabbath was a Thursday that particular year.

Well I didn't know that they had the exact year Jesus died, so how is it, you're making the above statement?

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This is not rocket science.

For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

(Matthew 12:40)

You have to have 72 hours. Jonah was in the whale's belly for 72 hours, and Jesus said that His burial would be the same length of time.

Jesus was resurrected early on the first day of the week. So that is why we get a Wed. crucifixion at 3:00 pm. Jesus had to be in the tomb before sundown Wed. night, because sundown was the beginning of the next day which was a High Sabbath.

It doesn't take much to understand. You can believe Catholic tradition, OR you can believe Jesus. The two do not agree, so you have your pick. You cannot believe both.

[Guest shiloh357]

This style is employed by the synoptic Gospels, while St. John, writing about twenty-six years after the destruction of Jerusalem, when Jewish law and customs no longer prevailed, may well have used the Roman method of computing time from midnight to midnight.

I doubt it. Jews have always used the same calendar. The fact that the Temple was destroyed only polarized Jewish people around the Torah that much more. John was a Torah observant Jew, and would have continued counting the calendar as he always did.