Robert William Posted September 12, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 612 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 93 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 12, 2017 Atonement theologically speaks of God's acting in human history to reestablish the original relationship between God and man by dealing with sin. To atone means to make amends, to repair a wrong. Biblically, it means to remove the guilt of man. The Old Testament atonements offered by the high priest were temporary and a foreshadow of the real and final atonement made by Jesus. Jesus atoned for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). This atonement is received by faith (Rom. 5:1; Eph. 2:8-9). Man is a sinner (Rom. 5:8) and cannot atone for himself. Therefore, it was the love of the Father that sent Jesus (1 John 4:10) to die in our place (1 Pet. 3:18) for our sins (1 Pet. 2:24). Because of the atonement, our fellowship with God is restored (Rom. 5:10). (See Reconciliation). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 57 minutes ago, Robert William said: "paid the price" is not in scripture, it says Jesus Atoned, past tense, He Atoned for the predestined elect, please read Ephesians chapter one and Romans chapter eight and nine. Christ' shed blood was payment in full to defeat death from sin. Dont nit pick how one chooses to say something that is true. It is scripture. It is not verbatim but then neither is what you said is it? Rev 5:9 (Jer) ... with your blood you bought men for God. How does one buy something without paying for it first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted September 12, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.35 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted September 12, 2017 9 minutes ago, Robert William said: You say He atoned and made reconciliation for us (past tense), please tell me who the "us" is. the US is those who BELEIVE . on that you are correct . for how can those who have rejected true grace be the US. they cant . KNOWN only to GOD are who his elect WILL be , thus we preach to all. But the gift of eternal life . was OFFERED to ALL but rejected by most. The only condemnation was and is, that light has come into the world but men love sin rather than light. SIN IS DARKNESS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behold Posted September 12, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 7 Topic Count: 87 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,795 Content Per Day: 1.35 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 3 Joined: 07/30/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted September 12, 2017 (edited) 22 hours ago, Robert William said: Jesus Christ did NOT Atone for ALL humans, Scripture does NOT teach universal salvation. The offer of the Atonement is universal. The acceptance and application of the Atonement is limited to "Faith". Edited September 12, 2017 by Behold 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert William Posted September 12, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 612 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 93 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, Behold said: The offer of the Atonement is universal. The acceptance and application of the Atonement is limited to "Faith". The Atonement was a complete and finished work, those who were Atoned for are (past tense) reconciled with God before they were even born and they will at their appointed time repent and embrace the gospel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert William Posted September 12, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 612 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 93 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, Cobalt1959 said: I see a pattern developing. That is not what people are saying. That is a component you are interpolating onto what people are saying, not what they are actually saying and continuing to post in this particular way means you will have a relatively short shelf life. Positionally, Jesus' atonement would have to be for every person on Earth, otherwise, doctrinally, not everyone could gain it by accepting it. The accepting of it triggers whether one has that atonement or not. If one accepts Jesus, they have the atonement. If they do not accept Jesus they do not have it. Why do they then need to repent and embrace the gospel if they are clean and atoned for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert William Posted September 12, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 612 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 93 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 12, 2017 11 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said: the US is those who BELEIVE . on that you are correct . for how can those who have rejected true grace be the US. they cant . KNOWN only to GOD are who his elect WILL be , thus we preach to all. But the gift of eternal life . was OFFERED to ALL but rejected by most. The only condemnation was and is, that light has come into the world but men love sin rather than light. SIN IS DARKNESS. OK, so you say He Atoned ONLY for those who will believe, I agree, but who will or can believe?? 1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted September 12, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,990 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,688 Content Per Day: 11.83 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted September 12, 2017 This get too much into "Calvinism" for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert William Posted September 12, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 612 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 93 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, Cobalt1959 said: Predestined only applies to anyone in the fact that God knows, ahead of time who will choose to serve Him and who will not. It does not mean that God individually chooses, ahead of time, who He will allow to choose Him and who He will not allow to choose Him. "Predestined," in the way you are using the term, would preclude the existence of free will. Cobalt, I think if you read Ephienschapter one and Romans chapter eight and nine you may have a different understanding. Free will is a myth. 1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, Robert William said: OK, so you say He Atoned ONLY for those who will believe, I agree, but who will or can believe?? 1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. John 6:44"No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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