Seventh day adventist church

[Karla82]

 

My subject is because I would like to know how to refute Adventist doctrine since I have been attacked for a long time by people close to that religion.

[Kevinb]

The problem is by what demonstrable mechanism do you refute one and accept another?  Have you come across the logical fallacy special pleading? It helped me. 

[Justin Adams]

On 10/9/2017 at 12:57 AM, Karla82 said:

 

My subject is because I would like to know how to refute Adventist doctrine since I have been attacked for a long time by people close to that religion.

Hello.
Ellen G White had a lot to do with SDA belief systems. I have some friends that were SDA's and of course I personally believe in keeping God's Sabbath (when I remember).  I am not SDA though.
There is a whole lot of theological back-n-forth about what the Adventists believe. Somewhat akin to those of the Roman persuasion. Individual RC's do not necessarily believe or even know about all Roman dogma or doctrine. Same goes with the Adventists, though their indoctrination is more thorough. 

I am generally suspicious of single persons in a particular movement. Ellen G White, Mary Baker Eddy being just two. So I read about them and any writings/prophesies they may have had. Then with God's Grace I can get a better understanding of the people that might align with such a group.

It seems a bit out of character that they would attack you though. They are generally peaceful to a fault, so I would be looking closely to see why, and then maybe that would also shed some light on your issues.

[missmuffet]

On 10/8/2017 at 4:57 PM, Karla82 said:

 

My subject is because I would like to know how to refute Adventist doctrine since I have been attacked for a long time by people close to that religion.

Here is what the SDA believe. You will do best in refuting a person who is Adventist if you know more about their religion.

Question: "What is Seventh-day Adventism (SDA), and what do Seventh-day Adventists believe?"

Answer: Seventh-day Adventism is a sect of Christianity that believes, among other things, that worship services should be conducted on the “seventh day” (the Sabbath) instead of on Sunday. There seem to be different "degrees" of Seventh-day Adventism. Some Seventh-day Adventists believe identically to orthodox Christians, other than holding to the Saturday Sabbath. Other Adventists, however, go much further into aberrant doctrine.

Seventh-day Adventism has its roots in Adventism, a 19th-century movement that anticipated the imminent appearance (or advent) of Jesus Christ. The Adventists were also called Millerites because their group was founded by William Miller, a false prophet who predicted Jesus would return in either 1843 or 1844. When Miller’s prediction of Christ’s second coming failed to come to pass, the Millerites disbanded in dismay; this event became known as “the Great Disappointment.” But then a couple of Miller’s followers claimed to have visions to account for the failed prophecy. Instead of coming to earth, Jesus had entered the heavenly temple—thus, Miller was right, after all, they said, except his prophecy had a spiritual fulfillment instead of a physical one. One of the seers who covered for Miller was 17-year-old Ellen G. Harmon, who had her first of 2,000 purported visions in a prayer meeting shortly after Miller’s disgrace. With her vision, Ellen soon became a beacon of hope for disillusioned Millerites. She united Adventist factions and became the spiritual guide for a new religious group.

In 1846, Ellen married James White, an Adventist preacher. Soon they became convinced that Sabbath-keeping was for all Christians. In 1847, Ellen G. White had another vision—this one confirming her new belief that Sabbath-keeping was to be a primary doctrine. The Adventists under Ellen G. White’s influence became Seventh-day Adventists. Ellen G. White’s many visions and writings—she was a prolific writer—greatly shaped the doctrine of Seventh-day Adventism. Today, most Seventh-day Adventists still consider Ellen White to be a prophetess of God, even though many of her prophecies failed to come true. In fact, Seventh-day Adventists consider Revelation 19:10 (“the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy”) to be a reference to Ellen G. White’s writings.

In 1855, the Seventh-day Adventists settled in Battle Creek, Michigan, and in May 1863 the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists was officially incorporated. In the next five decades, Ellen G. White wrote nearly 10,000 pages of prophetic material. Included in the visions was the doctrine of “The Great Controversy,” a cosmic war being waged between Jesus and His angelic army and Satan and his. Other visions dealt with healthy eating habits, which Mrs. White called “the gospel of health” (Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 6, p. 327). Seventh-day Adventism places restrictions on consuming meat, or “flesh food,” as Adventists call it. “Flesh food is injurious to health, and whatever affects the body has a corresponding effect on the mind and the soul” (The Ministry of Healing, Chapter 24: “Flesh as Food,” p. 316). It is no surprise that, after requiring Sabbath-keeping, Adventists began to add other elements of legalism into their creed.

Interestingly, Kellogg’s Corn Flakes was an Adventist creation: John Harvey Kellogg was a Seventh-day Adventist doctor in Battle Creek who wanted to manufacture a “healthy” vegetarian alternative to “unhealthy” breakfasts containing meat. Meanwhile, Mrs. White kept having visions, and she began teaching the unorthodox doctrines of soul sleep and annihilationism (which contradicts Matthew 25:46).

Other problematic doctrines in Seventh-day Adventism include the teaching that Satan is the “scapegoat” and will bear believers’ sins (The Great Controversy, p. 422, 485)—this is the opposite of what the Bible says about who bore our sins (1 Peter 2:24). Seventh-day Adventism also identifies Jesus as Michael the archangel (Jude 1:9, Clear Word Bible, published by Review and Herald Publishing Association, 1994)—a doctrine that denies the true nature of Christ—and teaches that Jesus entered a second phase of His redemptive work on October 22, 1844, as prophesied by Hiram Edson. And, of course, the Adventist promotion of Sabbath-keeping as a primary doctrine goes against the teaching of Scripture on the matter (see Romans 14:5).

Seventh-Day Adventism is a diverse movement, and not all SDA groups hold to all the doctrines mentioned above. But all Seventh-Day Adventists should seriously consider the following: a recognized prophetess in their church was a teacher of aberrant doctrine, and their church has its roots in the failed prophecies of William Miller.

So, should a Christian attend a Seventh-day Adventist church? Due to the penchant of Adventists to accept extra-biblical revelation and the doctrinal issues mentioned above, we would strongly encourage believers to not get involved in Seventh-day Adventism. Yes, a person can be an advocate of Seventh-day Adventism and still be a believer. At the same time, there are enough potential risks to warn us against joining a Seventh-day Adventist church.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Seventh-Day-Adventism.html

[GandalfTheWise]

On 10/8/2017 at 6:57 PM, Karla82 said:

 

My subject is because I would like to know how to refute Adventist doctrine since I have been attacked for a long time by people close to that religion.

My grandmother was SDA and I have no doubts about her being a Christian.   There is a wide range of SDA adherents.  There are those I've interacted with that I am confident are Christians (though with a few out of the mainstream views) and those that are die-hard Ellen White followers.  The SDA adherents I've interacted with are for the most part quite pleasant people and quite knowledgeable about the Bible and other topics.

Could you provide more details on what the particular issues are?

 

[missmuffet]

17 minutes ago, GandalfTheWise said:

My grandmother was SDA and I have no doubts about her being a Christian.   There is a wide range of SDA adherents.  There are those I've interacted with that I am confident are Christians (though with a few out of the mainstream views) and those that are die-hard Ellen White followers.  The SDA adherents I've interacted with are for the most part quite pleasant people and quite knowledgeable about the Bible and other topics.

Could you provide more details on what the particular issues are?

 

I am sure that there are some SDA who are born again Christians just as I am sure there are some Catholics who are born again Christians.