Resurrection

[Justin Adams]

Wrong: there are no commas, but if you put one after risen instead of week, it changes sense.

Young's Literal Translation
And he, having risen in the morning of the first of the sabbaths, did appear first to Mary the Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven demons;

Jubilee Bible 2000
Now as Jesus rose early the first of the sabbaths, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

Berean Literal Bible
Now on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene comes to the tomb early, it being still dark, and she sees the stone having been removed from the tomb.

[Justin Adams]

Just now, Giller said:

Of course it is the old, I do not like that translation strategy, common strategy when it does not fit your theology.

Ok. You are entitled to your beliefs. This is not 'theology'. I am allergic to 'ologies'.

Perhaps spend time reading the Aramaic versions as well. The disruptive anti-Semite sentiment is far more pervasive and destructive that a few words or beliefs. The fact that you are not understanding something does not mean that God has changed His mind or the facts.
Perhaps you would be the first to say the Lord Himself is embodied in these words (I would not say that). I follow (as best I am able) the WORD.
As you just pointed out, words on paper can be misleading. So you will have to decide which end of that see-saw you would like to attach yourself.

[Justin Adams]

4 hours ago, Giller said:

Justin Adams it is not a new doctrine concerning Jesus rising from the  dead early on the first day of the week, all what people are doing is believing what it says.

There are other reasons why Christians will not want to consider the Wednesday crucifixion and Sabbath resurrection.   They may have learned about it from a heretical group that denies the eternity of the Son of God, Yeshua.   There are many cults that quickly recognize and imitate a form of godliness, but then they reject the Son of God, even denying that he is YHWH our Adonai.  Christians need to learn that Satan's expertise is in packaging up neglected truths with damnable falsehoods.  Satan hopes to trick some into the lie using the neglected truth, and at the same time make other Christians, keep away from the neglected truth due to the bad reputation packaged with it.   Yet it is necessary to make a search into what the truth is.   For most Christians already are part of a cult or heresy.   The only way to escape is to pray and study the truth your group or denomination may be neglecting.   Specifically, everyone needs to pray that God will show them the truth on every matter.  One need to believe they will receive an answer fitting their level of maturity.

       Another reason Christians may not be able to see certain truths is that they are using Bibles that hide that truth.   The Catholics make their own translations.   Different Protestant denominations also make their own translations.   And every other cult in the world tries to make its own translation of the Scriptures.   There are so many versions of the Bible in America, that no one can blame Christians for being confused.   On the other hand, the confusion is witness to the reality of the attack of Satan on the Word of God.   If he cannot burn bibles, then he prints his own, and uses them to deceive Christians.  Should you choose this mission, to seek the truth, you will be met with all of these alternatives.   The situation is comparable to ancient times when the people who knew the truth lived 10,000 miles away from those who did.   A simple web search on a biblical topic will yield more controversy than anyone with a lifetime of scholarship can unravel.  No one actually has time to sift through the fog that Satan has created.   And the fog is not just lies.  That fog is dressed up in every form of outward religion.  It looks spiritual, tastes spiritual, and is partly spiritual, but is mixed with deadly poison.   Will you be able to drink the truth without swallowing the poison first? Will you endure the trek while you search?   Many will try and be unable.  That is what Yeshua said.  Blessed is the one who tries asking God for help.

       Remember, if you are content with everything you were taught by your group, then it is likely that you do not have an eye to discern neglected truth.  It is probable that you are not practicing the faith as Yeshua meant it to be practiced.   It is likely that somewhere in the past your fathers lied.   Is that not the testimony of the Bible?   One thing is very clear in the Scriptures, in both Old and New Testaments:  the majority of people who THINK they have the truth actually believe lies and oppose the truth whenever it comes along.   And these people make every claim to being perfectly religious and perfectly spiritual about it.   Only the absolute truth can set you free from all of this.  The absolute truth is Messiah Yeshua crucified and raised from the dead.   Therefore, we need to understand the facts of his death and resurrection, and the important conclusions we can draw from those facts.

      In the Messiah's death and resurrection, two important biblical themes come together.   These are the Law and the Gospel.   Everything about Yeshua's death and resurrection was according to the Torah and Prophets.   Both the laws and the teachings of forgiveness for sin are exalted in the historical events of Messiah's life on earth.  This article will show how Yeshua exalts both the Torah and the Good News.   He died to make payment for our sins, to satisfy God's just decree of punishment for sin.   He rose again to give us life, and this life is expressed in His law which he is wants to write on our hearts.   Whoever desires forgiveness of sin and this eternal life of living the way God desires will be saved.   One begins by asking Yeshua to forgive their sins.   Doing this, you will be forgiven, and will be given God's Holy Spirit so that you will live and learn to love Yeshua by keeping his commandments.

       Why then do we believe that Messiah rose from the dead on the Sabbath day?  For two reasons.  First, the Sabbath best illustrates rest and redemption from sin, and peace in the life to come.  Second, because the facts necessary to make this point are actually true.  Messiah did rise from the dead on the Sabbath day.  I mean the seventh day Sabbath, which is called "Saturday" in English or "El Sabado" in Spanish.  This is the same Sabbath that Jewish People and many Christians worship God on.  In order to understand this, we will need to take a fresh look at the original Greek manuscripts and some accurate translations.   But we will not get too detailed here.   This article is actually a popular summary of a 255 page book called, The Scroll of Biblical Chronology and Prophecy, which is available free online.   This book demonstrates how the Sabbath resurrection leads to the complete solution for all biblical chronology problems, and how it provides a firm foundation for understanding future events, however, it is technical and not very devotional.   The current article you are reading is intended to be as non-technical as I can make it, and it is intended to be devotional.  That means, I will frequently explain the spiritual meaning of things and what it means to you.  

        All the finer details are proved in the chronology book.   Putting the resurrection on the Sabbath is related to possible years for the crucifixion, which in turn is related to the solution of Daniel 9, which in turn is related to when the sabbatical years are, which in turn is related to when the Jubilee year is, which in turn are related to the overall framework of biblical chronology.   If you are willing to digest all this information, then you will be just as confident as I am about the truth of the Scripture, and exactly how and when God did things in history.   Taking the whole counsel of God and putting it together into a consistent whole is the real proof of the divine inspiration of Scripture and why we should listen to its teaching.

        Matthew 28:1 teaches a Sabbath resurrection:  "On the later of the Sabbaths, at the dawning for the first of the Sabbaths, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the tomb."   It begins, "On the later Sabbath ..." because there were two Sabbaths in Passion Week.  One Sabbath was the annual Passover feast day, and the other was the weekly seventh day Sabbath which followed.   In Passion Week, the annual Sabbath was on Thursday.   "On the later of the Sabbaths" tells us that the resurrection was on the weekly Sabbath, and not on the annual Sabbath.    Jewish believers in Yeshua know that the annual Passover feast day is a rest day as well as the weekly Sabbath.

         Why does the above translation of Matthew 28:1 differ from what Christians are used to?  Actually, what Christianity does not realize is that with respect to translations, it is like the proverbial frog being slowly boiled to death in a pan of water.   Errors have crept into the translation because either ancient translators did not understand the text or they had an unspiritual distaste for things that reminded them of Jewish laws, like the Sabbath.   Here is a list of resources that admit that the original Greek meant "Sabbath".

·         The Concordant Greek Text

·         The Concordant Literal New Testament

·         Robert Young's Literal Translation

·         Some of John Calvin's Commentaries

·         The Companion Bible

·         The Interlinear Bible by J.P. Green, 2nd Edition, Vol. IV

·         The Coverdale Quarto Bible, 1537

·         Some of Wycliffe's Translations

·         Some of Tyndale's Translations

·         The Rheims version, 1582

·         The Bishop's Bible, 1568

·         The Latin Vulgate

·         The Old Latin

·         All Greek Texts

·         The Syriac Peshitta

        It was only at the time of the reformation that the translators decided they could change the text from "Sabbath".   Now they translate "week".   But the original Matthew said, "On the later of the Sabbaths, at the dawning for the first of the Sabbaths, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the tomb."   The book of Leviticus shows us what the end of Matthew's verse means.  Matthew wrote, "at the dawning for the first of the Sabbaths".   If we use specifically the King James Version, we will get an accurate explanation of the original Hebrew, "And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:" (Lev. 23:15).    This text gives commandment to Israel to begin counting something after the annual Passover Sabbath.   It says they should count "seven sabbaths".   "At dawn for the first of the Sabbaths" will be the first one of these Sabbaths.  It will be exactly the first Sabbath after the annual Passover feast.

        So the resurrection was prior to the dawning on the weekly Sabbath after Passover.   Why has Christianity not seen this?   Do you really expect a majority to be correct?   Yeshua came to an adulterous and unbelieving generation of Jews.   Do you really think Christianity has improved on the righteousness of the Jews?   While Christianity has spread over the whole world, it has also been degenerating at the same time.   With each new wave of spreading, its original potency and truth has been diluted bit by bit.   Did not God's law warn us: "Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil;" (Exodus 23:2).   The Jewish People rejected the most important teaching of the Torah and Prophets.  The most important teaching that would tell them that Yeshua is the Messiah, the Son of God, the embodiment of the Most High in human form.   Why then should you expect the Gentile Christians to do any better?   The first generation began well, but the story of biblical history is a lesson in the speed and quickness of apostasy!   Did not Messiah himself predict that at the end of the age, the love of most would grow cold, and the many would fall away from the truth?

        As always, apostasy overturns the most important doctrines and teachings of the Scripture.  Those who want to be lawless overturn and remove everything that reminds them of God's Law.   That includes the Sabbath.   They remove just enough to become disobedient to God, and then Satan leaves them alone.  He wants them to retain the more minor truths, because Satan wants to keep their children from seeking the truth elsewhere.

        Messiah Yeshua died on a Wednesday afternoon, and rose from the dead just before dawn on the Sabbath day.   Now, we agreed that Messiah did rise on the third day.   The time immediately before dawn on the weekly Sabbath of that week falls just within the limit of three days.   In this case a day is a 24 hour period.   But when does it begin and end?   Yeshua's death on the cross was a sacrifice for our sin.  The scripture also calls his sacrifice a "peace" offering, because it makes "peace" or Shalom between God and man.   Here is the Torah's regulation for a peace offering, "And the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings for thanksgiving shall be eaten the same day that it is offered; he shall not leave any of it until the morning" (Lev. 7:15).  Notice that the offering must be eaten "the same day that it is offered"?   Yet, the limit of that day is defined as "until the morning".  The Rabbis, who liked to put fences around the law, changed the limit to midnight.  However, the Torah teaches that the offering could be eaten as long as it was night, as long as dawn did not lighten the countryside.  By this definition of "day" for a "peace offering", the day lasted from morning to morning.   And the peace offering is a type of Messiah.   Therefore, we should not be surprised if the three days are counted according to a Temple day for a sacrificial offering.

 

[Justin Adams]

1 minute ago, Sojourner414 said:

So, we're all stupid but you?

Misled maybe. Stupid, not at all. There are millions that see it this way, not just me.

[Justin Adams]

New topic.

[OneLight]

I am going to split the discussion about Resurrection from the False Doctrine thread as I had asked that the False Doctrine thread not be hijacked.  By doing so, we need to realize that the software places the oldest post first, so your post "New topic" will not be first.

[Guest shiloh357]

On 10/19/2017 at 7:01 AM, Justin Adams said:

Agreed. Plus the real Passover sequence is Yeshua being raised towards the end of the weekly Sabbath.

This one anti-Semitic stance is profound in its repercussions and a veritable cascade of errors.

There is nothing anti-Semitic about Sunday observance.

[simplejeff]

Just now, shiloh357 said:

There is nothing anti-Semitic about Sunday observance.

Just from memory of "history" and (of your posts exposing the error from Rome), 

I thought "they" who instituted "sun-god" (as was called ) day to replace Yahweh's Sabbath also

made it illegal to work on 1st day,  (and maybe illegal to rest on Yahweh's Sabbath Day),

and greatly persecuted and punished and even murdered many Christians and Jews who continued to observe Yahweh's Sabbath.

[Guest shiloh357]

Just now, simplejeff said:

Just from memory of "history" and (of your posts exposing the error from Rome), 

I thought "they" who instituted "sun-god" (as was called ) day to replace Yahweh's Sabbath also

made it illegal to work on 1st day,  (and maybe illegal to rest on Yahweh's Sabbath Day),

and greatly persecuted and punished and even murdered many Christians and Jews who continued to observe Yahweh's Sabbath.

None of that makes it anti-Semitic to go to church on Sunday, today.   Sunday worship was part of the Christian tradition long before Constantine.  

There was a point when Rome enforced the first day of the week by law under Constantine and he did outlaw the Sabbath.

But that was not when Sunday observance started.  It predates Constantine by almost two centuries.

[John Robinson]

What is with all the SDA cultists coming here to Worthy lately? If they're looking for new recruits, I'd suggest they not troll an evangelical website, as it's not going to end well.

Caramba, what a strange bunch!