Discussion with a Mormon

[Khristeeanos]

We have a new friend here named Paul and this thread is for us to discuss LDS (Latter-Day Saints) beliefs.

How about we start with the most basic foundational one:

God

If Paul would be so kind as to explain the LDS view of God to get us started and maybe explain the differences between the LDS and orthodox God it would be great.

(and please - NO BASHING OF OUR FRIEND!!! If you disagree with the LDS position that is fine, but do NOT bash or belittle Paul as a person!)

Thanks.

[Paul MT]

 

We have a new friend here named Paul and this thread is for us to discuss LDS (Latter-Day Saints) beliefs. 

 

How about we start with the most basic foundational one: 

 

God 

 

If Paul would be so kind as to explain the LDS view of God to get us started and maybe explain the differences between the LDS and orthodox God it would be great.  

 

 

 

 

(and please - NO BASHING OF OUR FRIEND!!!  If you disagree with the LDS position that is fine, but do NOT bash or belittle Paul as a person!) 

 

Thanks.  

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Thank you for your invitation to explain my faith in Jesus Christ and my Father in Heaven. As I stated before my purpose in participating in this site was to gain knowledge, and not to create controversy, or be a source for harsh words. This serves no purpose, and I believe is harmful to ones spirit. I would be happy to respond to you, but to create such and atmosphere would be disrespectful.

[Guest Bro David™]

Maybe I will try to start this off first.

The Bible prophesied that Jesus would be born in Bethlehem.

Micah 5:2 [KJV]

"But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting."

However, the Book of Mormon said he would be born at Jerusalem.

Alma 7: 10

"And behold, he shall be born of Mary, at Jerusalem which is the land of our forefathers, she being a virgin..."

My Question: are we talking about two very diff" people ?

If so who is the Jesus the Mormons pray too ?

I have due cause to claim we might be talking about two very diff" Jesus's.

Mormons belive that Grace has to be earned, where else my Bible tells me Jesus gave it to me because he loves me.

Let me perhaps try to put it more eloquently.

Do mormons belive that Jesus's position has the son of God was contested by another son of God Lucifer ?

(The Gospel Through the Ages, p. 15).

If so I will now proceed to tell you why this debate might end up talking about two very diff" Jesus's.

The Jesus in the Bible is The Creator.

He is not the Creation.

He did not fight for the position of God's son with Lucifer.

Above all else he was not the brother of Lucifer.

[Ovedya]

Let's try to continue this conversation without the snide remarks.

[Lekcit]

Paul,

I would like to get your thoughts on the following statement:

"As man is, God once was; as God is, man may become."

I would also like your thoughts on the infallibility of the Bible and the Book of Mormon.

In Him.

[Deez131]

My computer crashes, I come back, and look what's going on? This could be a very interesting discussion. Paul, were you saying you're not going to post? I wasn't sure what you were saying in your last post. I understand you don't want to cause harsh words. I would hope that we can all be polite here. I hope you do respond. I would really like to know your response to Jake's question. (The first post)

Denise

[Paul MT]

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[Guest Enchiridion]

Paul, thanks for being so open. I'm new here too so we'll feel our way around together, shall we?

Lekcit asked about your beliefs regarding the infallibility of the Bible and the Book of Mormon. I, too, am interested in your answer to this question.

Thank you!

Enchiridion

[Ovedya]

Above all else he was not the brother of Lucifer.

I can't comment on this point, as it is an "I say"" you say" kind ot thing. What does the scriptures say about who he is and what is position was. I have come across references to it the NT, but like I say, I don't memorize things very well. There are people here who seem to be very skilled with the scriptures. Could some one help us our here. Thanks.

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I believe that this poster is making reference to various statements made and published by Mormon "apostles" that Jesus and Lucifer are "spirit brothers," that they came from "Father God" as the Mormons refer to God the Father (Note that there is a difference in connotation there.):

"The story of Lucifer is the most terrible example of such apostasy. ... He pitted his own plan and will against the purposes of God. He strove to gain the birthright of his Elder Brother, Jesus the Christ. When his proposition was rejected, he forsook all that he had gained, .... He was no longer Lucifer, bearer of truth, who walked in light, but Satan, teacher of untruth, who slunk in darkness. He became the enemy of God and of all who try to walk according to the Lord's commandments. One-third of the spirits present in that vast assembly supported Satan and became enemies of the truth that they had formerly cherished. With him these rebellious spirits lost their fellowship with the valiant sons of God. (Apostle John A. Widstoe, Evidences and Reconciliations, p. 209)"

"The appointment of Jesus to be savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer

[ayin jade]

Lucifer is not the brother of Jesus. Lucifer is a fallen angel, whereas Jesus is Lord, part of the Godhead. There is a huge difference between them.